ZetecVan
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 06:08 PM |
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Which clutch cover?
Hi Guys
I'm having problems selecting gear in my anglia van. The engine is an 1800 Zetec, the gearbox is a 2000E and the bellhousing is 105E anglia. I
can select gear when the engine is not running, but can't when it is. If I put it in gear, put my foot on the clutch and start it, it will creep
forward very slowly, and I've driven it down the drive and there is a biting point, so it sounds like it's trying to disengage the clutch,
but not quite enough.
I've got an entended clutch release bearing, but perhaps it's not long enough, or the clutch cover isn't deep enough.
The distance between the block and the gearbox side of the clutch cover is 9cms. I don't know what cover I have is, but I've been told it
should be a pinto.
Does anyone know what the distance should be? I'm guessing around 10.5 cms because the standard anglia is 12cms and the spacer I have is 1.5cms
I know clutch covers all look alike, but I've attached a picture in case anyone can help identify it!
Thanks
Mike
[Edited on 11/5/06 by ZetecVan]
[Edited on 11/5/06 by ZetecVan]
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nitram38
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 09:14 PM |
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It depends on lots of things.
Most likely the clutch centre plate is from the same original car as the gearbox because the splined centre has to match the gearbox output shaft.
The cover plate is dependant on the size of the thrust bearing as this must fit the 'fingers' in the centre.
It is probably a good chance that it is for the same gearbox too, but that is not certain.
Take it out and take it to your local friendly car spares dealer.
They have books with part numbers to try and match them.
It looks like a thicker flywheel has been used to bring the clutch closer to the gearbox.
You should try working out how everything measures up to fit, by checking the depth of the bell housing and length of shaft etc.
I am afraid that it is a paper and measure excercise.
If it worked before, then just replace all of the bits using your local car parts man.
[Edited on 11/5/2006 by nitram38]
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ZetecVan
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 10:09 PM |
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Cheers for the reply. The clutch has never worked. I only got the engine running last week, so I only found the problem when I tried driving it out of
the garage!
The flywheel is a Zetec 1.8 one. I am definately 1.5 cms too short, and the arm won't adjust up that much as it's amost at the end of
it's play already
I've figured a way of increasing the bearing spacers width by about a cm, so I'm going to give that a go tomorrow.
Cheers
Mike
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nitram38
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 11:23 PM |
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Are you sure that it is not just a case of the bell housing being too deep?
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ZetecVan
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 11:09 AM |
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No, I'm using a 1200 anglia bellhousing which is the one to use.
It's confusing as Dave from Retro Ford did a conversion using the standard anglia release bearing and not using a spacer. It worked, but he had
to wind the adjustable arm out all the way!
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nitram38
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 11:21 AM |
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Not meaning to sound funny, but alot of these " use this bell housing that clutch etc" setups is that they may have worked for someone,
but they may have overlooked something.
Like I said, measure everything and work it out on paper, because at the moment you are just guessing.
For all Dave knows (and he may be a genuine bloke) you may have a different flywheel or clutch part.
Measure it and work it out for yourself.
I had the same problem with a countach replica v8 rover mated to a renault gearbox. All of the advice was use a range rover flywheel, sd1 clutch
etc.
In the end I used a the flywheel and mated a complete ranault clutch to it to get it to work.
People don't mean to mislead you, but sometimes they do!
[Edited on 12/5/2006 by nitram38]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 02:56 PM |
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Anglia belhousing -- the type with the clutch fork with "D" spacer and the little wire clips to hold the release bearing on ? These always
were a pain in the neck
Check you are using the correct slave cylinder -- it needs the small bore type bigger bore type was fitted to Lotus models that used the same
bellhousing.
You could of course switch to a SAAB co-axial slave cylinder.
Is the driven plate a match to the pressure plate -- the driven plate should be "Low Lift" if you are using the Zetec clutch pressure
plate.
Personally I have had so much trouble in the dim and distant with this type of bellhousing I would ditch it. Apart from problems with the clutch
release gear the starter mounting is only 2 bolt -- this gives a lot of problems on bigger engines so much so that Ford switched to 3 bolt starters
at the end of Cortina Mk1 production.
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ZetecVan
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 08:04 PM |
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Well I got the gearbox in this aft, and it's still not working. I adjusted the bearing up to the diaphragm and got the wife to press the clutch
while I watched. The slave cylinder is working fine, pushing the rod and pusing the fork, but it appears that the diaphragm is hardly moving. I think
I've been sold the wrong part. It should be a pinto cover but the pictures I've seen of them, the springs go much closer to the edge of
the cover than the one that's on it.
Everything is measured, and I've been told what the measurements between each component should be, and it's just about spot on.
britishtrident - I've checked the slave cylinder and master, and the opinion is that they're the correct bores for the job. I would have
used a type 9 box, or mt75, but fitting them in the anglia isn't as straightforward as the 2000e box, hence the anglia bellhousing. I'll
probably use one in my next anglia project!
So, I've got a new clutch cover and clutch coming, and they're known to work with this set up. I'll keep you posted sometime next
week when I've got them fitted.
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