Pdlewis
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 11:36 AM |
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1600 Pinto modification
Hello,
Im looking at getting a bit more out of my 1600 pinto without having to use twin 40s as they i reckon there a bit pricy and not all that good in town.
I would be greatful for any suggestions. it is currently just a standard block and head with a stock webber twin choke carb on it. I recently had it
tuned on a rr and they got it upto 78bhp.
Is it worth upgrading to bike carbs?
Is there anything else i could do to it?
Cheers
Paul
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DIY Si
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 11:45 AM |
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Firstly welcome to the Mad House!
Secondly, cams and some light head work will do wonders for more "bolt on" power. Then twin webbers, or as you've already suggested
bike carbs which are supposed to be worth much more power just on there on. Or change the engine for a bigger one!
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marshall
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 11:48 AM |
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i would change it for a 2.0 pinto
and put a fast cam in it
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big_wasa
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 12:40 PM |
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No replacement for displacement 
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JoelP
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 12:47 PM |
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i too would just swap for a two litre. It makes sense, the engine would be cheap and still standard (easy to replace if ti broke). You could then
still tune that at a later date once you decide its still not enough!
Twin carbs are not bad round town at all, i found mine to be completely driveable. If you think they are bad, compare to bloody bike clutches! Now
they are annoying...
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mark chandler
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 05:46 PM |
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If pennies are short swap the 1.6 cam for a 2.0 cam, bit more duration so will up the power by 5%-10% and make it feel a bit more sporty.
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roadboy
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 05:55 PM |
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Probably almost as cheap to go for a Zetec than trying to tune an old generation engine.
Regds
Ian
Jude Performance Services
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Pdlewis
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 06:17 PM |
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Thanks for your replys
so the thining is I should swop the curent engine for a 2l then in either a pinto or zeitec incarnation.
From what i have read still been a bit new to this the 2l pinto is basically the same engine as the 1600 so would just drop in as a direct replacement
hooking up to the existing type 9 i have in where as the zietec would maybe involve alot more work with aditional wiring and different mounts?
Cheers
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DIY Si
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 06:24 PM |
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The zetec would need new mounts and I'm not 100% sure you can use the standard ecu with it, so you'd need something to replace it. I could
well be wrong on this bit though. Also, you'd need the 1.8 flywheel and water pump. Well, you don't NEED the flywheel, but the 2 litre job
is very heavy.
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john_p_b
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 06:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by roadboy
Probably almost as cheap to go for a Zetec than trying to tune an old generation engine.
Regds
Ian
you find me all the bits to convert from a pinto to a zetec for the same price as replacing a pinto and i'll buy 2!
built a car, built a home, had a family. lost the family, lost the home, still got the car.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 06:58 PM |
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Well, somebody has to tell you the real answer to your question and I guess you might know what I'm about to say...........
Forget about heavy lumps and gearboxes. Go for a Bike Engine 
Phil
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DIY Si
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 07:00 PM |
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I was going to say that ealier but I know how much you enjoy preaching to people!
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Hellfire
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| posted on 6/8/06 at 07:15 PM |
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 7/8/06 at 12:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Well, somebody has to tell you the real answer to your question and I guess you might know what I'm about to say...........
Forget about heavy lumps and gearboxes. Go for a Bike Engine
Phil
And if you can show us how to do that for the price of a 1.6->2.0L Pinto upgrade I'll have 10 thanks!
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Hellfire
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| posted on 7/8/06 at 11:32 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Well, somebody has to tell you the real answer to your question and I guess you might know what I'm about to say...........
Forget about heavy lumps and gearboxes. Go for a Bike Engine
Phil
And if you can show us how to do that for the price of a 1.6->2.0L Pinto upgrade I'll have 10 thanks!
??? I don't believe he mentioned anything about cost limitations.....
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NS Dev
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| posted on 7/8/06 at 11:46 AM |
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................well in that case forget the crappy little bike engine and fit a DFV......LOL
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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marcjagman
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| posted on 7/8/06 at 01:22 PM |
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How about a trusty old CVH from an Escort or an XR2? lighter, easy/cheap to tune already comes with a weber as standard and gives out about 112bhp.
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02GF74
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| posted on 8/8/06 at 11:00 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
??? I don't believe he mentioned anything about cost limitations.....
read it again; the dude is quibbling and price of 40s  so think the bike engine is a bit out fo the budget:
quote:
Originally posted by Pdlewis
Hello,
Im looking at getting a bit more out of my 1600 pinto without having to use twin 40s as they i reckon there a bit pricy and not all that good
in town.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 8/8/06 at 12:00 PM |
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He's probably right, they may be a bit pricey, I don't know.
Like I said though, he didn't mention anything about cost limitations.
Thats just your inference
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snapper
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| posted on 9/8/06 at 06:49 PM |
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Simple option is the 2.0l pinto, it will drop straight in and give an honest 100bhp, upgrades are then the carb from a 3.0l V6, injection head (5 to
10bhp just for the head) total expected so far about 115bhp add quad Mikunies and a 285 cam your looking at 130 ish.
After this it could do with a good head job.
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Peteff
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| posted on 9/8/06 at 07:10 PM |
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it could do with a good head job.
You can't say that You'll get him arrested if he starts asking round where he can get a good head job . 2.0ltr Pinto is a bit taller
so he may need to start hacking the bonnet or altering the engine mounts. There aren't many cheap tuning options that don't involve a lot
of work, a good exhaust and carbs are always the first line of thought, cam and gas flowing next. Keep your eyes open for cheap parts is the only way
to keep the cost down. Bike carbs need custom manifolds which don't come cheap from the makers, but someone upgrading to throttle bodies might
sell them on cheaper.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Pdlewis
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| posted on 9/8/06 at 08:19 PM |
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Choices Choices
Cheers Guys,
Its looking like dropping the 1600 is the plan then and slapping in a nice 2L over the winter!! Going to be keeping my eye on the big online car
boot (ebay) for the coming months to see what they can do for me!!
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