Kosmo
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| posted on 17/9/06 at 07:11 PM |
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Help needed for engine selection for newbie !!!
I'm trying to decide on anengine for a seven style kit.... at present I'm thinking of a xflow or pinto just because this is my 1st
project, the other option is a zetec.
Regarding the zetec engine, how much more work and cost is involved using these ?
If I use carbs on a zetec does the ignition still need mapping ?
What ecu is used and how does it intergrate into the loom supplied by most kit manufacturers ?
Thanks in Advance,
Kosmo
[Edited on 17/9/06 by Kosmo]
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cryoman1965
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| posted on 17/9/06 at 07:39 PM |
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I have recently finished my first build and i used a pinto. If i had known then what i know now i would have used a Zetec.
The costs a very simular. I know the pinto may come with the donor but a Zetec can be brought for around £100.
All the ancilliaries for a pinto need to be purchased for a zetec.
Poss Alternator
Poss Starter Motor
New clutch.
Bike Carbs and Manifold.
The cost of the Megajolt is around £100 ish, but someone who has got one may give a more accurate £.
For a few hundred £ more you get more power and a lighter engine, with a smoother delivery. From what i understand it is straight forward to connect
to the loom. The megajolt will require mapping but i understand this to be straightforward also.
Personally if you dont mind a few £200ish more i would go Zetec.
Somebody may come along later and mention Bike Engines.
Hope this helps
Cheers Nige
[Edited on 17/9/06 by cryoman1965]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 17/9/06 at 08:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cryoman1965
...... blah, blah, blah............ boat anchors.......... heavy..... blah, blah, blah.
Somebody may come along later and mention Bike Engines.
[Edited on 17/9/06 by cryoman1965]
That looks suspiciously like my cue. 
Have you ever considered a bike engine? Maybe I ought to re-phrase that.....................
Have you ever driven or been a passenger in a BEC? If not, give it a try and save yourself the trouble of having to rip out a car engine at some later
date to install a bike engine. You'll not regret it. 
Phil
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zetec7
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| posted on 18/9/06 at 05:07 AM |
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There is another way for a Zetec ignition...we got ignition systems from John Ehrlich at quad4rods.com in the USA - he builds a system based on the GM
DIS ignition. It's dirt-simple, doesn't require ANY building, tuning, timing, programming or anything. Wire it up & run it. Wiring is
simple: one wire to the sensor, one power wire, one ground, and one wire to your tachometer. System includes all wiring, sensor, sensor mount, and
adapting a Zetec front crankshaft pulley with a sensor plate. Sensor mount is a nicely-machined CNC aly unit. We haven't run ours yet, but the
parts are off-the-shelf GM stuff, so replacement parts should be easy worldwide if any are required. Price is currently $315 USD (roughly 150 quid?)
for the works. And, according to John, a Zetec with this ignition holds a world speed record at Bonneville!!
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Guinness
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| posted on 18/9/06 at 06:44 AM |
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Priceless
quote:
Originally posted by cryoman1965
...... blah, blah, blah............ boat anchors.......... heavy..... blah, blah, blah.
Somebody may come along later and mention Bike Engines.
[Edited on 17/9/06 by cryoman1965]
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That looks suspiciously like my cue.
Have you ever considered a bike engine? Maybe I ought to re-phrase that.....................
Impeccable timing there Hellfire.
Cheers
Mike
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NS Dev
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| posted on 18/9/06 at 02:10 PM |
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seeing as hellfire has gone on to bike engines I feel it only right to say......
Vauxhall XE 16v!!!!!!!!
I am increasingly feeling the need to throw down a large gauntlet to the BEC crowd on here, as soon as I am sva'd!!!
not long now!.................................
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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Hellfire
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| posted on 18/9/06 at 06:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
I am increasingly feeling the need to throw down a large gauntlet to the BEC crowd on here, as soon as I am sva'd!!!
not long now!.................................
Are we talking on track, dragstrip or both?.........
Phil
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DIY Si
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| posted on 18/9/06 at 06:43 PM |
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Them sounds like fighting words! Where do I sign up?!
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 18/9/06 at 09:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
I am increasingly feeling the need to throw down a large gauntlet to the BEC crowd on here, as soon as I am sva'd!!!
not long now!.................................
Are we talking on track, dragstrip or both?.........
Phil
An autotest that involves lots of reversing
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Kosmo
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| posted on 18/9/06 at 09:54 PM |
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Now I have the bike option thrown in ???
OK... If I choose the zetec option what is it that I need exactly for ignition and carbs, sounds like bike TB's are a good choice with
megasquirte ? What is the total cost of all this aprox ?
Concerning the bike engine choice, I hear these are great for the track but not for road ? What about lifespan and reliabilty ? I know nothing about
bike engines !!!
Sorry for the all the questions but this looks like the place to get the answers,
Cheers,
Kosmo
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Hellfire
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| posted on 18/9/06 at 10:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Kosmo
Now I have the bike option thrown in ???
OK... If I choose the zetec option what is it that I need exactly for ignition and carbs, sounds like bike TB's are a good choice with
megasquirte ? What is the total cost of all this aprox ?
Concerning the bike engine choice, I hear these are great for the track but not for road ? What about lifespan and reliabilty ? I know nothing about
bike engines !!!
Sorry for the all the questions but this looks like the place to get the answers,
Cheers,
Kosmo
Bike engines are great for both track and for road. Lifespan and reliability is a difficult one for ANY engine regardless of whether its a car engine
or a bike engine. It depends how well you look after it. Both our BEC's have been reliable.
Try and get a ride in both a BEC and a CEC and then make your decision on engine choice.
Phil
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