NS Dev
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| posted on 16/11/06 at 09:33 AM |
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Stupid question, odd fire or even fire??
Right, really stupid question here, but is a 60 degree v twin engine with one crank throw odd fire?
I assume so but in email conversation with Bill Shurvington he asked whether it was odd fire or even fire and I had to be honest and say I am not
sure.
Having thought about it, unless I am missing something really obvious, it must be odd fire, but is that right?
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tks
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| posted on 16/11/06 at 09:46 AM |
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well
Being it a high rpm engine build for fast acceleration etc. i´m sure its odd fireing..
(not fireing at the same time)
i mean that when piston 1 is in in the fireing stroke (downwards) piston 2 is in the compression stroke..(upwards)
i guess its the most easy way of balancing
the thing a bit out..
Tks
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mookaloid
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| posted on 16/11/06 at 09:50 AM |
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If that's a stupid question then I must be stupid too - I've never heard of that
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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NS Dev
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| posted on 16/11/06 at 10:01 AM |
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That's what I mean!! I have heard of it, but never paid any attention as all the 4 cyl engines I am used to are even fire.
TKS - even fire doesn't mean firing at the same time, it means even phasing of firing points of each cycle, which is why I assume it must be
odd-fire.
The cylinders are 60 degrees apart, its a 4 stroke engine and there are two cylinders. Each cylinder fires every 720 crank degrees, and the crank has
only one throw.......oh i'm confused!!
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tks
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| posted on 16/11/06 at 10:36 AM |
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mhh there is no rule i g uess
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V6
look at that..
Tks
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NS Dev
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| posted on 16/11/06 at 10:44 AM |
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Right, think me and my boss have just worked it out!
See what you get but we make it 420deg and 300deg between ignition trigger points, so definitely odd-fire
[Edited on 16/11/06 by NS Dev]
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Liam
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| posted on 16/11/06 at 04:57 PM |
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Not quite as simple as that - you basically need to know specifically for the engine in question whether it's odd or even fire - just its
geometry isn't a dead give away. For example my Honda V6 is a 90 degree V6 which in theory has to be odd-fire. However, instead of pairs of
pistons sharing journals on the crank shaft, the journals are appropriately offset round the crank to allow the engine to be even-fire despite its
geometry.
Sounds like a 60 degree V-twin should be odd-fire if it has a simple crank with the pistons sharing a single journal, but it may infact have offset
crank journals and be even-fire. I'd say the latter is most likely in a decently engineered modern engine.
Liam
edit: oh just noticed you said the crank has one throw. If you're totally sure about that and the pistons definately share the same journal
then it has to be odd fire. A pain for megasquirting if i'm not mistaken, assuming that's why you were talking to Bill
[Edited on 16/11/06 by Liam]
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NS Dev
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| posted on 16/11/06 at 07:33 PM |
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Yep indeedy!!!
Certainly is odd-fire, common crankpin, and I've been searching on all the flipping mega-billy sites and not one useful bit of info so far
found!!!
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