macnab
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posted on 9/1/07 at 09:22 AM |
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Injection manifold
Maybe someone out there will know this...
Does the EFI manifold fit directly onto the 2.8 Cologne v6. I have a semi mechanical injection system from the capri and was wondering if I could
ditch this and fit the more modern system. Also to be honest if it can be done I haven't a scooby what would be involved in getting it
running.
Can anyone help???
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macnab
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| posted on 9/1/07 at 11:20 AM |
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Thanks Mark,
Hmm, right the underlining reason that I'm asking is that the plenum chamber used for the MFI system is a huge ali box that when fitted does a
very good job of blocking my view. Add on top of that a scoop to make it smooth and SVA friendly and I end up with a monster bulge on my bonnet. Not
good.
Looking at the later EFI system it has a much lower profile but I don't know whether that system is fitted to the Cologne or the Essex v6. I had
considered making a glassfiber manifold with full trumpets and twin chambers either side of the engine but it’s a complex moulding on the very limits
of my ability plus it would take some time to construct.
The megasquirt system would work just great I'm sure but still does not get round the real problem of the huge chamber.
It looks like I'm going to have to do some research into this before jumping in.
Thanks for the help, I'm sure I'll be asking your advice again very soon.
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macnab
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| posted on 9/1/07 at 12:04 PM |
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Ok cheers, let me have a look at the manifold and check to see if one can be cut down. I suspect the injection one would work best. Infact I could
bring them with me to the meet at the end of the month.
Out of curiosity what's an approximate cost off such a system?
u2u me if you want on that...
cheers, scott.
[Edited on 9/1/07 by macnab]
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mcerd1
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| posted on 9/1/07 at 12:32 PM |
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Heres what Burtons have to say about them:
quote: In the following text, we are only concerning ourselves with the two larger types of V6 engines, although tuning principles remain the same for
all sizes of engine. Although slightly less in capacity than the Essex V6, these engines are lighter and more powerful (150bhp) but have less torque
or grunt than the Essex. Basically, the 2.9 unit is a longer stroke version of the 2.8, but there are also other subtle differences between these two
engines, which makes any interchange of parts very difficult. The 2.8 cylinder head has a 2 port siamese exhaust manifold design as against the more
conventional (and better) 3 port design on the 2.9. Like the Essex engine, the 2.8 V6 had the same type of cam drive gear design and the same
associated problems. The 2.9 has a much more reliable chain drive for the camshaft. The 2.8 engine can be tuned to a reasonable level (modified cam,
staged heads, steel cam gear, etc.) but the poor cylinder head design is its ultimate restricting feature. The American version of this engine was
fitted with 3 port heads but such items can be difficult to source in the UK. For those wishing to convert their 2.8s into 2.9s be warned, it is not
easy and it is not cheap. Because of the different exhaust porting the camshaft phasing is different (they also rotate in opposite directions to each
other). The 2.9 distributor, oil pump and drive shaft will also be required. The differences in the chain and gear drives means that, if you fit the
2.9 crank in the 2.8 engine, the front nose will require modifying. And because of the longer stroke crank, the pistons will protrude approximately
1.5mm above the deck face. The piston crowns can be machined down but this will affect their ultimate strength, especially if the compression ratio is
to be raised.
With the 2.8, the con rods are the weak link. HD ARP con rod bolts are essential for over 6000 rpm. A con rod that has been stress relieved and shot
peened can rev safely to 6500 rpm. An electronic rev limiter is a must have to prevent the consequences of over-revving. Carburettor engines can get
good performance using either the 38DGAS or 40DFI5 and, for the more serious, conversions have been seen using a 4 barrel Holley carb. The inlet
manifold on the MFi K-Jetronic injection engine is a serious restriction. The four ‘risers’ basically do not allow for sufficient airflow.
Unfortunately there is not enough wall thickness to allow these to be opened out, so the only way to solve this is to build up the outsides with
welding. With the risers sufficiently opened out, we have seen instant increases of approx. 15bhp.
BTW if you want a 2.9 - I've got one (in a car just now and would need rebuilt)
[Edited on 9/1/07 by mcerd1]
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macnab
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| posted on 9/1/07 at 01:03 PM |
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Cheers mcerd1
Thanks for the offer of the 2.9 but my engine is only recently rebuilt and in prime condition that's the reason I'm happy to try and get
the most out of it.
Their right about the injection manifold being too restrictive. Rather daft as there's loads of room to have made them bigger, maybe someone got
their sums wrong.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 9/1/07 at 03:47 PM |
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turning a 2.8 into a 2.9 could be hard work and expencive
but would it be easier to use the slightly better 2.9 heads on a 2.8 ? - what would this involve ?
[Edited on 9/1/07 by mcerd1]
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NS Dev
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| posted on 9/1/07 at 03:47 PM |
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2.9 inlet, as far as I know, doesn't fit the 2.8i'm afraid. I think they are very similar, but not actually the same! I have one of each
lying about somewhere, will have a look.
If you are struggling for height and want injection, have you thought about getting a 2.3 or 2.8 single carb manifold (quite common on granada 2.3 and
2.8 non injection models) and just fitting a USA sourced single point injection throttle body to it? Certainly cheap enough.
Just an idea!
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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NS Dev
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| posted on 9/1/07 at 03:53 PM |
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.........one of these items is what I am on about, would take up the same space as the std carb and you could put a K&N filter over it just like
over the std v6 carb.
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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