ditchlewis
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| posted on 10/3/07 at 12:32 PM |
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starter motor probs - opinions please
hi all
my earlier post this week was about the problems with the starter motor.
car would only turn over slowly.
took plugs out and it turned over faster.
there fore replaced the starter motor with a new one.
wired up with an earth lead and two live leads.
starter motor just clicks, which i suppose is the pre engager? but it wont turn over.
the motor is new/reconditioned but was sprayed by some muppet, do you think it has paint in it? or could there be an easy solution?
regards
Ditch
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ReMan
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| posted on 10/3/07 at 12:58 PM |
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Sounds more like battery/ Earth probelm?
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dave r
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| posted on 10/3/07 at 01:15 PM |
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as above check your earths and if possible try another battery
i stripped out, and rebuilt my starter motor (had simialr fault) and it turned out the new battery i had was duff
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 10/3/07 at 01:21 PM |
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Ditch,
I'm not sure if you know how these starters work, but here's a rough summary anyway:
Turning the ignition key operates the solenoid.
The solenoid pulls the pinion gear so that it meshes with the flywheel gear.
When the solenoid is fully pulled in it makes a connection for the motor, which hopefully spins and starts the engine.
So, if you're turning the key and just getting the solenoid clunking then it's a fair bet that the contacts are fouled up in some way.
Give me a call if you would like me to come over and get in your way!
cheers,
David
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miegru
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| posted on 10/3/07 at 02:25 PM |
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I understand that the engine turned around with the first starter. If the connections didn't get hot they should be sufficient. I remember that
you also used two batteries so I assume that that is ok.
Sounds i]like three possible problems:
1: engine to heavy to turn around / starter too weak
2: starter / solenoid bust
3: wrong fit
2 can be checked easily; take the starter out an dry test it on a bench. Just wire the plus and earth and brush the solenoid with a wire. This test
the solenoid and the starter itself.
3 can be checked by measuring or by putting some marker (paint or something) on the flywheel tooth in front of the starter pignon. Then try starting
the engine. When you take out the starter again you can see if the pignon has engaged the tooth on the flywheel.
If this works I fear that your engine simply needs a lot of power to start. How difficult is it to start the car with a push from some mates? That
should eliminate the possibility of the engine having a problem.
Good luck!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 10/3/07 at 02:58 PM |
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We had a play with the reconditioned starter motor - it looks like it's been assembled badly. The main casing is quite a bit out of line.
The solenoid worked ok, pushing the pinion out smartly. The pinion didn't spin, and appears to be hard to turn - I think the solenoid's
making the connection, but the bad casing alignment is jamming the rotor.
Ditch's having a play at the moment, to see if everything can be lined up properly...
David
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ditchlewis
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| posted on 10/3/07 at 05:17 PM |
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many thanks David
i've managed to release 3 of the 4 screws out, but the fouth was badly burred before i started and i can get no purchase with a screw driver.
this was put together by a chimp.
should i drill the bolt out and use the old case and the new internals.
alternatively i could buy a new one, i just want to sva this car and drive.
Ditch
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 10/3/07 at 05:57 PM |
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Take the starter back and get another one !
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 10/3/07 at 07:54 PM |
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Agreed! Don't waste your time - get another, maybe from Unipart (as discussed), with a decent warranty.
See you soon,
David
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