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Triton - 16/4/05 at 04:14 PM

On my way back from Brum with my lad after collecting a grp front end for his Mini....we are minding our own business albeit at 95mph overtaking long line of cars...when some prick in an M3 Blurb decides he wants my bit of the road....so quick flick of the brake pedal which usually freaks tailgaters out into dropping back has this M3 driving prick coming past me on the inside then cutting in so close i shut my eyes thinking F*** he is gonna hit us......he then decides to weave in and out of the two lanes ......
Motorways are fast becoming "Mad Max" style........serious shit


JoelP - 16/4/05 at 04:19 PM

shouldnt brake test people then i guess... you could just've ignored him

i only mess with people on the road if i am prepared to follow through if they start kicking off - since i cant be bothered clubbing people these days, i tend to keep my cool.


zilspeed - 16/4/05 at 04:29 PM

I frequently find myself thinking I wish I could give give up driving on the public highway when this sort of thing.
It's either tossers like this or the other end of the spectrum - barely awake.


Triton - 16/4/05 at 04:33 PM

I usually bumble along minding my own business but with no where to go and car whizzing it's head off with nowt left to get out of his way.......my only option to wake the prick up was to show him the brake lights, if i could have moved over i would have but it's an Astra estate i drive not a helicopter.


Danozeman - 16/4/05 at 04:57 PM

I hate ppl like that. I was coming down the A14 one day funnily enough id just come off the M6. I had some tit in a 4x4 sitting up my arse and started flashign at me to move. I was doing about 90 at the time. Being in a low calibra the headlights were right in my mirror so i gave him the brakes which made him come closer so i pulled in and the twat came past then slowed down. He then did the same thing again!! I was right pissed off so i slowed down to 50 he soon stopped it!!


JonBowden - 16/4/05 at 05:19 PM

Thing that really bugs me about having someone like that up my backside is that I have to pay some attention to him rather than watching the road ahead. Thus It makes me more likely to screw up. Oh and if I do have to do an emergency stop, the prick behind me will turn the drama into a crisis by crashing in to me.


rthurbin - 16/4/05 at 05:21 PM

quote:
the twat came past then slowed down


There are 2 things I can’t stand... people who sit in the centre (or lane 3 on a 4 lane carriageway) and people who overtake you and then slow down!!! How infuriating...

I do about 25,000 miles a year (not that many, I know) so I try my hardest not to get wound up.


zilspeed - 16/4/05 at 05:36 PM

Further to previous postings.

If you're being tailgated by someone and you genuinely just want some space and no hassle, don't bother brake testing them - that let's them know you're annoyed and always leads to confrontation to a certain degree.

However

If you just use your washers - not rear washers, just the normal front ones - the surprise as it covers their windscreen will automatically cause them to slow down and give you space the space you wantewd. And you haven't done anything to antagonise them.

I find this technique particularly usefull when being buzzed by a swarm of bikers on a Sunday afternoon as well. Generally wearing dayglo leathers - you know the type A face full of washer fluid soon sorts them out. (1)



(1) I'm joking !!! Never with bikers - only lonney tintop/van drivers.


chrism - 16/4/05 at 05:37 PM

How about the people who drive slow and then when your overtaking speed up so you have to drive faster to pass them or slow down and pull in behind them.


JoelP - 16/4/05 at 05:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by rthurbin

There are 2 things I can’t stand... people who sit in the centre (or lane 3 on a 4 lane carriageway) and people who overtake you and then slow down!!! How infuriating...




amen to that brother - i undertake people most times i go on the motorway, with a finger stuck to the window - soon makes them pull back in.


OX - 16/4/05 at 05:48 PM

flick on the fog lights ,they poo there pants and you steam off ahead


phelpsa - 16/4/05 at 05:50 PM

And on a dual carriagway with roundabouts all along it, people who get in lane to turn right after the first roundabout with a mile to the next one

Im a back seat driver


viatron - 16/4/05 at 07:30 PM

Brake tested a Carlton on the M54 last year after about 3 miles of him flashing lights and getting so close on occasion that i couldnt see the grill, i was doing 90 and constantly overtaking traffic!
After i brake tested him he lit up his hidden blue lights !!! Yep it was a copper, went mental at me, was going to report me for speeding, dangerous driving etc etc, until i pointed out that i was more than willing to go to court with of course a copy of his in car video footage in my pocket!! Needless to say he "Let me off with a warning" yeah right!!!

Mac


andy d (rizla) - 16/4/05 at 08:04 PM

my trick that works really well when its at dusk,when the idiot cuts you up and pulls in front,get out the digital camera and take a pic of him,as a digital camera flashes twice,you whatch him slow down quicker than a F1 car


David Jenkins - 16/4/05 at 08:37 PM

Had a comedian today - I was driving down the A12 passing Colchester at 70-ish, no particular hurry so in the inside lane. Van overtaking a bit faster than me, when I saw a boy-racer hammering up behind the two of us, in the outside lane. He crossed all the lanes, went into the end of the OUT slip-road on my left, and passed me doing around 100mph. He had about 25 yards of road left as he passed me.

I briefly considered drifting left as he approached, but even I'm not that evil - he'd have had to brake hard or go up the embankment, and either way he'd have been deeply in the soft and smelly. There was a fair chance he would have taken me with him on the way past.

I just kept my course and speed and prayed that it was a lucky day for all of us...

DJ


andyharding - 16/4/05 at 08:55 PM

I was driving to Manchester with a mate for business the other evening. We both had suits on.

So we're minding our own business in the right lane following the car in front with about a 20m gap (don't like stone chips). We'd been following the same car for 10mins and the traffic wasn't going anywhere.

Some prick in a Civic comes tanking up behind us and sits about 2 feet off the bumper for 5 mins before under taking us. When he catches the car in front he drops to the middle lane then the left.

Now, my mate has a Scanner which looks like a police radio (we listen the the airport on the way in to Manchester).

So I chase the Civic and as we pull along side my mate holds the Scanner to his mouth and makes a gesture to pull over.

The guy in the Civic sh!t himself and actually pulled onto the hard shoulder.

We were still laughing 1/2 hour later

[Edited on 16/4/05 by andyharding]


Avoneer - 16/4/05 at 09:24 PM

Same thing happened to my Bulgarian brother-in-law (car up his arse) and he's a big scary looking bloke. Pulled into the middle lane and the car pulled next to him and drew a gun on him.
I just pull in and let them go now.
Pat...


Simon - 16/4/05 at 10:18 PM

Saw a friend today who related a story that happened in last week or two.

Him and wife driving from T/Wells to Orpington, being "harrassed" (wasn't deliberate, they reckon he was pissed or high cos of all the weaving) by some muppet along A26 and A21. At some point they lost him, but on M25(?) he was seen (via rear view) to be approaching at high speed in lane 3. Friend in lane one saw him coming straight for him from lane three, so accelerated away, muppet left motorway, went to top of embankment onto roof and rolled down onto motorway.

My thoughts, being the kind, considerate liberal that I am, said it was a shame there weren't three 40 tonners following to finish him off.

ATB

Simon


gazza285 - 16/4/05 at 10:57 PM

I think I've posted this on here before but I'll post it again.

The only tip my father gave me when I first started learning to drive

"Assume everybody else is an idiot"

Works for me.


gazza285 - 16/4/05 at 11:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Simon
It was a shame there weren't three 40 tonners following to finish him off.

ATB

Simon


I find this in poor taste, my business partners only child (his daughter) was killed by an over hours artic driver, the undertaker put the three bits together and made the missing bits up with plastacine (or whatever they use) so she could be buried.


stephen_gusterson - 16/4/05 at 11:13 PM

think that 'brake testing' someone at 95 mph would have got you quite a few points.

glass houses and stones....


atb

steve


Simon - 17/4/05 at 12:14 AM

gazza

Your story is quite tragic, and I can understand your point. Please bear in mind that if my friend had not been keeping his eyes on the mirrors and spotted this idiot, he would have been broadsided had HE not taken preventative measures. He conservatively estimated a three figure speed.

My point was light hearted to get this guy off the road. From where my friend first encountered him, to where he crashed is about 25 miles. He could have had his accident in Tunbridge Wells or whereever he was going - who knows what carnage he'd have done.

I do not want this kind of driver on the road.

ATB

Simon

[Edited on 17/4/05 by Simon]


gazza285 - 17/4/05 at 01:10 AM

I can only repeat what my father said before,

"Assume everybody else is an idiot"

Thankfully your mate actually takes note of what is happening around him, most people seem to suffer from tunnel vision whilst driving.


steve m - 17/4/05 at 02:26 AM

but i dont go thru any tunnels
am i the odd one out ??


chris.russell - 17/4/05 at 09:38 AM

i take a dislike to people who come tanking down the outside lane then pull in at the last minute to turn off when there is loads of space behind and they are just being idiots. For some strange reason they take offence when I boot it and close the gap and they miss their exit


phelpsa - 17/4/05 at 09:47 AM

That nearly happened to us on the motorbike yesterday. Went to overtake a lorry, but couldnt see the 4 cars infront of it, had to squeeze in really close between cars 3 & 4 to be able to turn off


Peteff - 17/4/05 at 09:52 AM

I always shut my eyes when I go through tunnels as I'm scared of the dark. I don't like motorways and tend to drive in the inside lane behind an artic for cover and overtake them when they slow down too much. There's nowhere I need to be in a hurry anyway. People seem to see motorways as some form of competition but they don't realise they will never get to the front despite all their risky manoeuvres, just wee a few other drivers off. Just remember there may be another Kenneth Noye among them.
edit here:- That's called riding beyond your ability Adam. Ostrich syndrome happens a lot round here with born again bikers. If you can't see it, you don't assume it's not there. There's an unexpected bollard on the road near us and they start to overtake just before it then panic.

[Edited on 17/4/05 by Peteff]


phelpsa - 17/4/05 at 10:54 AM

And another motorway problem near us is our junction is halfway down the side of a hill, lorries go slow up the hill, when you start to overtake, but speed up on the way down the hill, catches a lot of people who dont turn off there regularly out.


David Jenkins - 17/4/05 at 01:09 PM

There does seem to be a general problem with people these days - many don't seem to understand that you can actually lift your foot off the accelerator. Maybe you'll lose 30 seconds in journey time, but you can actually slow down occasionally and 'go with the flow' - makes the journey far more pleasant.

Saying that, now that I'm driving my Locost on a regular basis, and the engine is just-about run in, I'm beginning to wonder how long it will be before I get a ticket... these are real hooligan cars, aren't they!

David


stephen_gusterson - 17/4/05 at 09:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
That nearly happened to us on the motorbike yesterday. Went to overtake a lorry, but couldnt see the 4 cars infront of it, had to squeeze in really close between cars 3 & 4 to be able to turn off


ive been there and done that in a car.

at the end of the day, miss a junction, double back at the next, and live the rest of your life.

Id like to think i wouldnt take risks like that with my son on the back of a bike.

atb

steve


stevebubs - 17/4/05 at 09:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
That nearly happened to us on the motorbike yesterday. Went to overtake a lorry, but couldnt see the 4 cars infront of it, had to squeeze in really close between cars 3 & 4 to be able to turn off


ive been there and done that in a car.

at the end of the day, miss a junction, double back at the next, and live the rest of your life.

Id like to think i wouldnt take risks like that with my son on the back of a bike.

atb

steve


Ditto. Bikes are dangerous enough without taking risks like that. If you can't see, don't overtake.

Rgds

Stephen
(biker and father)


phelpsa - 17/4/05 at 11:02 PM

It wasnt dangerously close...... just closer than we would have liked it to have been.


chris.russell - 18/4/05 at 08:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
There does seem to be a general problem with people these days - many don't seem to understand that you can actually lift your foot off the accelerator. Maybe you'll lose 30 seconds in journey time, but you can actually slow down occasionally and 'go with the flow' - makes the journey far more pleasant.


Slowing down sometimes makes the trip faster.

When I used to live at my old house I had to travel about 12 miles down the A34 each day to get to work, I would normally sit in autopilot behind a lorry just cruising along at about 60.

A friend who also lived in the same village would drive as fast as he could, say 90mph, but over the 12 mile section, if we started at the same time, I would generally catch him at the last exit and normally be only a car or two behind him at the end. All due to traffic.

Sometimes it pays to relax (no hard accelerating and sudden braking all the time) and enjoy the drive, plus it saves loads of fuel!

I also think they should sort out lorry's. Nearly everyday there seems to be yet another lorry jack knifed or involved in an accident - is it because they slip stream each other and sit inches from the bumper infront, tireness, pressure?? who knows


phelpsa - 18/4/05 at 09:46 AM

On the way to school this morning coming up to a roundabout, got into lane and a bmw 3-series zooms up behind us and starts flashing his lights

Bloody annoying


David Jenkins - 18/4/05 at 09:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by chris.russell
Slowing down sometimes makes the trip faster.



I believe very strongly that keeping up a good pace is far more effective than going flat-out everywhere. By this, I mean keeping a good speed through corners, judging your speed at roundabouts so that you fit in to the traffic without stopping, etc.

Quite a few years ago my daughter's boyfriend of the time used to a rush-everywhere nutter. I once left Ipswich at the same time as them, to drive the 6 miles home. He screamed away, squealing his tyres, and the last thing I saw was him roaring up the hill.

Got to my house 6 miles later after a brisk but sensible drive, to find that they had just arrived and hadn't even opened their car doors.

David


flak monkey - 18/4/05 at 10:02 AM

On short journeys driving like a loony just doesnt make the trip any faster. If you consider the difference between driving at 60mph and 75mph then thats only an extra 15 miles in an hour, on a short journey of say only 5 miles, the time gained is very small (seconds).

The extra speed only makes a difference on a long journey, but only if you can keep the speed up. You still need to slow down for round-a-bouts, traffic etc.

So in the course of things driving like a loony anywhere only increases the stress you feel (its hard work), uses more fuel, and you get the bonus of everyone on the road thinking you are a prick...

David


Ian Pearson - 18/4/05 at 11:03 AM

My girlfriend was driving down the M3 a few days ago, overtook a Volvo, who then decided that he'd drive so close to her that at times she couldn't see the front grill. He was laughing like a madman apparently. No amount of slowing down or lane changing would get rid of him. In the end, they parted company at the A303 exit, and she managed to get his number. We thought about reporting him, but decided that the amount of interest it would generate, would be zero.

Not quite sure what turns these people into demons once they get into a car. There's never a cop car about when you need one!


Peteff - 18/4/05 at 11:25 AM

There's a sensor in the front bumper that automatically flashes the lights when BMW's get within 25 yards of another car, he probably forgot to switch it off when he left the motorway .


omega 24 v6 - 18/4/05 at 11:58 AM

I agree steady flowing driving is just as quick over a short distance say 150 miles especially on A roads. The trip computer on my omega for 3 journeys giving a total of 300 miles on main A roads and dual carraigways only, from town to the city centre and back 3 times. What is the average speed?



45MPH

and thats sitting at 80 on the dualler.


David Jenkins - 18/4/05 at 12:00 PM

If your journeys involve towns/urban roads, it's actually very difficult to average 30mph!

DJ


Triton - 18/4/05 at 12:22 PM

Don't care what BMW cars have.....sitting on someones arse at 90odd is stupid because even if i had to brake and missed what ever was in front.....M3 twat would have made sure i was in the middle of a nice steel n flesh sarnie.......


Triton - 18/4/05 at 12:25 PM

Need to weld on an Oval racer style bumper front and rear i think......make em think twice about getting to close.


phelpsa - 18/4/05 at 12:28 PM

Or robot wars style spike


flak monkey - 18/4/05 at 04:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
If your journeys involve towns/urban roads, it's actually very difficult to average 30mph!

DJ


We have a trip computer in our car. The average speed when i come from kings lynn to coventry (105miles) is about 50mph, if you are lucky. Thats spending the majority of the time cruising at 75ish on the motorway....

My mums run to school in the morning (country driving) the average is about 25mph.

Suprising how low averages speeds are over the course of a journey.

David


Simon - 18/4/05 at 08:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
On the way to school this morning coming up to a roundabout, got into lane and a bmw 3-series zooms up behind us and starts flashing his lights

Bloody annoying


Amusing incident a few years ago in Aldgate .

BMW driver harrassing bloke on scooter. Both stop at Pelican crossing. Scooter in front. Rider takes off helmet, gobs on bonnet and rides off. BMW driver sat there stunned.

Well, it amused me.

ATB

Simon


JoelP - 18/4/05 at 09:19 PM

cant do that nowadays - DNA tests on your saliva can lead to a prosecution.


James - 19/4/05 at 07:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Simon

Amusing incident a few years ago in Aldgate .

BMW driver harrassing bloke on scooter. Both stop at Pelican crossing. Scooter in front. Rider takes off helmet, gobs on bonnet and rides off. BMW driver sat there stunned.

Well, it amused me.

ATB

Simon


Saw a peed off biker go alongside a car a few ahead of me in the queue and headbutt the drivers side window! Didn't see what the car driver must have done to illicit such a response but it must have been a bit of a shock!

James


David Jenkins - 19/4/05 at 07:44 AM

I once worked with a keen bike commuter - hulking great Cheshire lad, 6'4", afraid of no-one. One day a car was repeatedly crowding him in traffic - deliberately - when my mate just reached into his tank-bag, brought out a great big spanner, and held it over the car's bonnet. The driver decided to pull back a bit...
Another story, same bloke: I used to bike in from Chelmsford, he came in from Hertfordshire, and I'd often catch up with him around the North Circular. One day I saw him in the distance, just as a little FS1E cut him up something rotten. About a mile later I came up to some lights, to see him holding the FS1E rider by the throat, waggling his finger in the poor bloke's face! You have to picture a 5'6" spotty teenager being threatened by a hefty great bloke on a BMW, shouting at him in broad Cheshire! Apparently the 'lecture' was about learning to ride properly, how to survive on busy roads, and the like... but not in those words exactly.


DJ


phelpsa - 19/4/05 at 09:43 AM

Some of the best advice I ever got was when i had my 80cc quad bike and went out on the track. My dad asked the owner of the track whether he had any problems with the 50cc quads being on the track at the same time as the 660cc yamaha raptors, and the owner said 'No, as long as the little kids stick to what they're doin and dont worry, its the problem of the bigger quads to get around them when it is safe'. Basically, its safer to just ignore them and stick to what you are doing, leave them to get on with trying to get passed you.

Adam

[Edited on 19-4-05 by phelpsa]