did he delibaratley block the track to keep pole?
edit: i dont think he started it on purpose ie the locked brake, but then thought he could turn it too his advantage
[Edited on 27/5/2006 by I love speed :-P]
Of course he did , why spoil the habit of a lifetime? we all would for 12million or more a year
I'm sure he did! 
Fozzie
[Edited on 27/5/06 by Fozzie]
especially considering how crucial pole is at monaco...
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Originally posted by JoelP
especially considering how crucial pole is at monaco...
Of course he did! It's genetic.
Somebodys desperate for yet another of Senna's records
I thought F1 cars had anti-stall devices and reverse!
See here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/5023004.stm
No way did he cheat. If he had, it wouldn't have been so blatant, the guy is too talented. The Stewards are wrong.
Sorry mate but I have to disagree. The first part can possibly be explained as a mistake going in too tight and maybe from that you could say its wasnt pre-meditated, but what was the reason for him straightening up the wheel, then only turning again once he was to close to the barrier to pass? If you look at the shot from above, he steers straight towards the barrier and only turns right again once he's half way across the track (over the central white line), and even then winds off a little lock again as he gets close seemingly just to make sure he can't get round.
He could have spun the car on a sixpence on the apex of the corner and stalled his engine, if he so wished. I doubt anyone would have called him a
cheat in that scenario. The stewards had no option but to strip him of pole after setting the precedent with Fisichellas incident. And besides, it
makes F1 that bit more interesting doesn't it? 
Phil
His driving certainly didn't apear to be that of a talented multi-championship winner at that moment did it...
He has a long history of dubious tactics and very unsportsmanlike behaviour, I'd hardly put a stunt like this past him.
Not sure if it's good or bad for (my favourites ) Mclaren!
Means Alonso's practically garanteed to win but gives Macca a better shot at 2nd place!
As long as blinkin Webber gets the inevitable out of the way early it should be an interesting battle between Alonso and Raikonnen up to 1st fuel
stop.
Cheers,
James
[Edited on 27/5/06 by James]
i was thinking exactly that as i watched it jon. too convenient imho especially for someone as experienced as him not to keep it going.
The guy already had the fastest time, we all reckon the guy is a machine and calculates every thing to the smallest degree, one of the reasons he wins
so often.
He almost never cracks under pressure and rarly makes a mistake.
So now you want me to belief that that he deliberatly makes such a crass and obvious manoeuvre to gain one place.!!
I accept that pole at Monaco is essential but i think the risk in that act was so great he would not of done it deliberatly, as I said he does
calculate every thing down to the smallet point.
I think he new he had a fast time and just made a mistake on the in lap.
But once again he is not alowed to make a mistake, it has to be deliberate and Ferrari are "cheats", blah,blah blah.(new record please)
Anyway, its done now!!!
The good thing is the race may not be the normal procession as I would almost put money on Shuey getting into the points and going all out from the
back.
Heres to an exciting race!!!
he was on a faster lap than his previous and overcooked it. if he hadnt had straightened up he quite possibly would have skidded into the barrier because he was on the dirty part of the track. stupidly he would have probably been better off if he had crashed. the stewards caved into pressure from the other teams rather than just look at the evidence. alonso is becoming the new schumacher and in the same way that ferrari could do no wrong a couple of years back now alonso can do no wrong.
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Originally posted by Johnmor
He almost never cracks under pressure and rarly makes a mistake.
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Ask Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve, think about stalling on the grid and losing championships to Hakkinen. Under pressure the guy cracks easily
I'm with hellfire on this.
This is 'cheating'
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Originally posted by Johnmor
The good thing is the race may not be the normal procession as I would almost put money on Shuey getting into the points and going all out from the back.
Heres to an exciting race!!!
Johnmor, you talk a lot of sense on this one, btw Damian Hill threw it away in his little incident, Shuey was a dead duck at the time waiting too be
picked off, Damian chose the wrong time, the Villeneuve incident was maybe down too Shuey though........
Jon - Damon didn't know it at the time, and had no way of knowing it - he saw an opponent going slowly, a gap, and went for it, don't tell
me you wouldn't do the same. You can't allow for the fact that someone has a natural reaction to crash into someone rather than avoid them -
at least then as the cobbler hadn't shown his tendency before that.
Mr G - maybe BAR were cheating, but it is generally accepted they were the fall guy for that one, and many other teams (Ferrari included) were using
the same technique - may well explain all those very quick middle sectors the cobbler managed.
From what I heard, James Allen was about the only person in Monaco who believed it to be an accident.
I think you lot missed the point re Damon Hill. MS has openly admitted that he 'did what had to be done' to ensure he took the title. That
involved punting Damon Hill!! The acts were perpetrated years ago, the admission was only 1-2 years ago.
Cheers,
Syd.
[Edited on 28/5/06 by Syd Bridge]
Sorry guys, just winding you up a bit bit come on.........
The best F1 driver in my living memory and who's pictures are still hung in our office..........?
Mr Senna, now he was no saint either was he.
Thats the trouble with us Brits, we play cricket.
yup regardless of the stats having been bought up watching senna he will always be the master, and we will never know what could have been 
Ned.
How can anyone defend such a ploy, it was obvious immediately.
He will stop at nothing to gain an advantage,this time he's gone too far.
Never mind "change the record" this ruins F1 and really has blacked Schueys image for ever as far as most people are concerned.
He is one of the best drivers ever but not one of the best sportsman F1 has had.
It's not just about winning.
I have also never known so many racing personalities slag someone as much as on this occasion,he's overstepped the mark and it's time he
left the sport before he does any more damage.
[Edited on 28/5/06 by DEAN C.]
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Originally posted by andyps
From what I heard, James Allen was about the only person in Monaco who believed it to be an accident.
If Schumacher is hounded out of F1 by the sheer Jealousy of mediocre drivers it will change the sport, and I for one will find it very boring.
Every man and his dog took the opertunity to have a pop at Schumacher at Monaco, some of the comments were simply ridiculous and damn right nasty.
The two other best driver of the day made no comment (Webber Raikkonen).
One driver (Button) slated Shumacher and then Proceeded to drive a crap race and blame everything but the weather.
Regardless of the fact that Schumacher did deliberatly "park " his car. That is still only the opinion of the stewards, because it does not
matter what people say, they were not driving the car at the time and therefore can not have all the facts.
Only one person knows if it was deliberate and he has denied it.
He recieved his punishment without spitting his dummy (unlike many so called champions)
What I would say, if you want to measure a true champion, look at the performance of Schumacher in Monaco.
Rumours were spread that he should withdraw out of guilt, every one criticised him, even Jacky Stewart had a go.
He races under incredible pressure and makes up 14 places (on a track almost impossible to pass), he puts in the fastest lap of the race on lap 73 and
retains points for the championship
He, once again makes the difference
All his team mates in the last few years have admitted (including Irvine) that you cannot measure the performance of the Ferrari car buy schumacher,
but by the other driver, Massa is a good and promising F1 star in the same car as Shumacher, but hardly gained a place.
Every team boss would pay a fortune for a driver as determined and competitive as Scumacher.
One last question, If you were a team boss and could have any driver, and you ahd just bet your pride and joy on the result (your car, not your
wife).
Who would you pick?
Love him or hate him, he is the best driver in F1 and if forced out, the sport will suffer terribly.
Here's to Siverstone.
MS has been the best driver in F1 for many years.
MS is a CHEAT.
Ferrari will do anything to win.
If they can win by cheating they will and have done in the past.
I supported MS at the start of his Career but he has now gone too far.
I'm ashamed to call myself a Ferrari fan these days.
rascas is taken with 40km/h??
and he braked hard to!
sow in fact he could easyly hadholden the wheel that way..avoiding the park
also he said he could pull out, but howmuch room did he needed??
it wasn't a full f1 car lenght??
if he would steer to the left, reversed 50cm..steering to the right (full lock) then he would managed to get zway earlier then the guys comeing...
the yellow flags would then be still out
and then he would came away with the action...
but he just "maked to sure" that the car was there..
my opinion, i never was a driver acciociator its because i like the teams more...
was benneton, now its renault offcourse...
not because they win i have always been..
(have had some sad years!!)
TKs