Put my deposit down on an R1 Indy yesterday. However, the paddle shift I thought was straight forward. My impression was:

Right paddle up six gears, left paddle down six gears

However I was prode stupid, wrong and naive!

Whats all this neutral, down into first (which paddle) then p the gears business? As you can all probably tell as yo sit there chuckling away that I have never experienced a sequental box before.

So, an idiots guide to paddle shifters and if heel toe is needed etc would be great.

secondly, may car is being built with wires rather than rods - any pictures to demonstrate this set up at all???

many thanks, an eager soon to be BEC owner!

bike gear boxes are arranged as follows
6
5
4
3
2
neutral
1
so down to 1st from neutral then up through neutral to second etc,etc
you can set up the paddles whichever way fells most comfotable for you

i use a conventional lever which i push forward to 1st then back to go into 2nd,3rd etc
to engage neutral is just a half pull back from 1st
Its probably easier to do than describe

Rich

Bike gears are weird!

A bike usually has neutral between 1st and 2nd.

So, from start-up, it's
1. Fiddle around until the neutral light comes on.
2. When the engine's started and you're ready to go, push down into 1st (usually a clunk)
3. When you change up, it's straight through neutral into 2nd, and onwards.

When you get to a stop, you have to push down on the selector until you get 1st, then a half-pull upwards to get into neutral again. You might get neutral from 2nd, if you're really sure of which gear you're in!

It is really easy once you're used to it - but you do have to remember the 'sequential' bit - you can't go straight to neutral like on a car box, nor can you select any gear of choice - you have to go through them in order.

I am not far from you in Mitcham.( 05 R1 engine in non-7 car)
You are right about the gear changes, you put it into 1st one way but then pass through neutral on your way to 2nd etc.
I am going to use a cable shift, but with a trickshifter which cuts the ignition and allows clutchless shifts once you are in 1st. I also have the auto blip which raises the revs on changing down (say 5th to 4th) and allows clutchless changes without all the heal and toe stuff.
This is beneficial in mid corner gearchanges. (something a car engine would find difficult and have you off the road)
My cable and paddle aren't in yet but you are welcome to take a look once it is.

As above, but note you don't have to shift up twice to get from first to second. The neutral is 'half way' between first and second so from first a gentle pull gets you into neutral and a full pull gets you into second.

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Originally posted by Dragon-Performance-Eu
Some "proper" race bikes (look at the on-board telemetry Vale's of Yamaha M1 for example) haven't got a neutral/space between first & second, the neutral on it is all the way up after first when your coming down the box of a race machine.

note: on a proper race bike the shift pattern is

Push the gear lever Down = N-1-2-3-4-5-6

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Yes, neutral is generally between 1st and 2nd for the exact reason that Chris has stated. And you'd be surprised at how often 1st is used on a top-level race bike - they tend to have an aftermarket box where 1st is quite high and useable. On my old '94 TZ250 1st would be used quite a lot in hairpins etc.

cheers guys that clears some thoughts up for me.

secondly, I thought that following an unwritten code that up the gears on paddle shift would be right hand paddle and down gears would be left hand side paddle.


am I wrong or is it personal prefference? I ideally would want up changes on the RHS

kriss

if i had a paddle shift thats the way round i would use, feels a more normal way round to me

Red is positive, black is negative. But move the control cable and you can have it the other way round if you wish.

Phil

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just purchased paddleshift from pathfinder, was thinking of using rod instead of cable as its been said it gives a more positive feel, any comments would be appreciated

asked mine to be right up change left down change! would be so confusing the other way round if i jumped on a playstation lol

think I am getting rod returns and cable up shifts!

Mine is tuther way round as that's how it went together the easiest. A friend of mine who has a 1960 S2 Lotus/'Blade with a central gear lever found this very easy to jump in to as he then used just the left paddle - back for up and forward for down - the same as his car.

It's each to their own I s'pose!

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Originally posted by andyfiggy2002
just purchased paddleshift from pathfinder, was thinking of using rod instead of cable as its been said it gives a more positive feel, any comments would be appreciated

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having used both

the cable change is fantastic

rods are still good when done properly

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Originally posted by Kriss
asked mine to be right up change left down change! would be so confusing the other way round if i jumped on a playstation lol

think I am getting rod returns and cable up shifts!

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ill be getting one of AB's cable kits as they are far kinder to the box!

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Originally posted by Toady1
ill be getting one of AB's cable kits as they are far kinder to the box!

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Originally posted by Toady1
ill be getting one of AB's cable kits as they are far kinder to the box!

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Andy does say he sees less gearbox issues with cable operation, I think its probably because with linkages there's more bits to come loose (which is what caused my box failure I believe) and more variation in the quality of the installs, but I do think that a good quality rod linkage change will be every bit as kind as a cable.

cheers
Chris

I have a rod linkage paddle shift and its very positive and theres no play in it at all, ive done 3500 miles with it now and it works flawlessly.