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Electric Handbrakes
RazMan - 22/3/07 at 12:05 PM

I'm thinking about a future project and if I could design in an electrically operated handbrake it would save a lot of messing about.

iirc the SVA manual doesn't really specify the method of handbrake activation, but I can't see why a stepper motor pulling a caliper (with a ratchet of some sort) cant be used. Someone mentioned that the Ford C-max has already incorporated something similar but I have yet to find any info on this.

Has anyone got any ideas or comments?


balidey - 22/3/07 at 12:11 PM

Lots of the new renault have them. Takes a while to get used to.


scottc - 22/3/07 at 12:13 PM

Someone on here has done this pre-SVA and it passed SVA. Can't remember who it was though.

here

[Edited on 22/3/07 by scottc]


speedyxjs - 22/3/07 at 12:15 PM

All new jags have them too!


RazMan - 22/3/07 at 12:41 PM

CaLviNx - Ahhhh I remember the thread now. That linear motor looks ideal - have you got any info on it?


RazMan - 22/3/07 at 03:11 PM

Sorry, I meant a manufacturer or supplier Had a look on eBay and havent found anything yet.


02GF74 - 22/3/07 at 03:28 PM

hmmmm, so if you break down due to battery failure and need to stop, this is when you need the handbrake the most, wotcha gonna do?


RazMan - 22/3/07 at 04:06 PM

Chuck a brick under the wheel?

I admit that my plan is slightly flawed but I'm looking at a solution (not the brick)

The ideal gizmo is called a Linear Actuator which will pull 1200N which should be enough for most applications. I am hoping to use the existing Sierra handbrake setup and retro fit the actuator in the service tunnel (more or less in the orginal handbrake lever position) A three way rocker will be the ideal switch as it has a lower profile for SVA.

[Edited on 22-3-07 by RazMan]


DaveFJ - 22/3/07 at 04:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
hmmmm, so if you break down due to battery failure and need to stop, this is when you need the handbrake the most, wotcha gonna do?


I thought that was the exact reason why hydraulic handbrakes were not allowed. I'm amazed that these are legal!


Peteff - 22/3/07 at 04:50 PM

Use the footbrake

If you have an electrical handbrake does it need a failsafe device? Do you have the current applying the brake or a spring applying the brake and the current holding it off like an air brake type system?

[Edited on 22/3/07 by Peteff]


RazMan - 22/3/07 at 05:15 PM

The system is basically a stepper motor and a worm drive. You throw a switch to 'pull' the brake cable (or lever etc) and the nature of the gearbox prevents rotation until a reverse voltage is applied to the motor when the cable is released.

Hydraulic brakes depend on the same circuit as the main braking system so that is a no-no for sva and mot, however I don't see any reason why you can't have a secondary hydraulic caliper mounted on the same disc - it might not be cost effective though.


RazMan - 22/3/07 at 06:35 PM

I doubt that a seat motor would have the oomph to pull on a handbrake, but I suppose with a long enough throw anything is possible. I have found a couple of suppliers for the high strength actuators. This one seems the best so far and less than £80 too.
http://www.hiwinactuators.co.uk/linear_actuators.html


gttman - 22/3/07 at 07:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
I'm thinking about a future project


Already? I havn't even been for a ride in you Aeon yet!


RazMan - 22/3/07 at 10:27 PM

You may find the actuating time will suffer as a result of the gearing but it is certainly worth a try. The ones I have found operate at 25mm per second and I estimate that the cable will need to have around 20mm travel, so less than a second to fully actuate the handbrake.

Andy, Hi mate - this is not for my car It is a hush hush project which MIGHT happen soon. I will divulge all in due course. Are you still in SA?