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avoiding the Q plate
grandad - 1/12/07 at 05:07 PM

how much of the car needs to be from the doner car to qualify for a non Q plate registration?
i have the engine (possible change), rear drive mechanics and steering...normal stuff froma sierra doner.

Confused but excited. - 1/12/07 at 05:11 PM

A quick search will reveal all.

Simon - 1/12/07 at 05:20 PM

Why do you want to avoid a Q plate. There are so many benefits to having one

ATB

Simon

blakep82 - 1/12/07 at 05:32 PM

i want a Q! its like an elite club!

02GF74 - 1/12/07 at 05:32 PM

like what for example?

a q-plate will sell for less than a similar car on age related, it is immediately recognised as a kit, you cannot change registration, the engine has to pass same emissions at SVA, one small advantage, and there is some uncertainty about this so check the site - at MOT engine emissions are visual only but there is talk of tightening this up and there are cases cases where it is has to meet emission printed at SVA time, insurance may be more, needs MOT immediately compared to after 3 years for age related plate.

Benzine - 1/12/07 at 05:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
needs MOT immediately compared to after 3 years for age related plate.


nah it doesn't

russbost - 1/12/07 at 05:39 PM

So you think mine wouldn't be immediately recognised as a kit then??? (if it hadn't got a "Q" plate i mean

Simon - 1/12/07 at 05:58 PM

Exactly how many 7 type cars, Cobra reps etc aren't kits.

If I was spending £20 - 30k+ on a Cobra rep (so I could put a private (read dateless) plate or an Ultima etc, then I may well be concerned about a Q, but £3k......

ATB

Simon

graememk - 1/12/07 at 06:07 PM

i could of had a age related but i accidently lost alot of my paper work so i ended up with a Q, at the end of the day a age related plate isnt going to fool anyone, Q does mean extra insurance at all and how many people have private plates on there 7 car ?

Q at mot is what i wanted sod the enviroment.

nitram38 - 1/12/07 at 06:09 PM

A Q plate would make a personalised plate impossible as they are not transferrable

NeilP - 1/12/07 at 06:19 PM

If you had a non-Q plate and then did a transfer to a (non-chav) personalised plate (i.e. to the car) then do you think that would add value (above and beyond the cost of the plate that is)?

Johnmor - 1/12/07 at 06:19 PM

In my case, i had the v5 for the doner and when the DVLA inspector asked how much of the doner i had used I said:

Wheel hubs + brakes
Steering column+ steering wheel
Gearbox
Diff + drive shafts

He said "that should be enough for an age related plate"

In actual fact I only used the steering column and the gear box but he didnt ask futher.

This gave me an age related plate, very simple.




02GF74 - 1/12/07 at 06:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
needs MOT immediately compared to after 3 years for age related plate.


nah it doesn't


? seem to recall i saw on here that it did, oh well, you can cross that one off the list.

westf27 - 1/12/07 at 07:07 PM

Lotus Sevens were supplied in large volume as a kit of parts.Make no mistake not many kit cars return the money you think they are worth.If i add up all the hours of build time and the cost of parts the total amount far exceeds the market value.
Even tin tops lose shed loads in the first three years

Hellfire - 1/12/07 at 07:40 PM

I grew up thinking that all cars with a 'Q' plate were stolen vehicles which had been written off by the insurance co. and had been consequently recovered and re-registered. When I became interested in building a kit, some simple research quickly dispelled that myth but the stigma (call it what you will) is still there.

With regard to MOT, there is no advantage of having a Q plate as opposed to having an age related plate prior to 1st August 1998 or 'S' registered as all these vehicles get a visual smoke test.

Phil

02GF74 - 1/12/07 at 07:56 PM

just to further incite q-plate reg. hatred, this is what Adrian Flux say.

quote:
Many insurers will run away screaming if you ask them to insure a Q-Plated car, but not us. As experts in finding cover for all types of specialist and unusual vehicles, our quotes department can arrange low cost, high quality insurance cover for your car, whatever its history.

In most cases we won't even require an engineering report. All we normally need to have is confirmation of why the vehicle has been issued a Q-Plate.

Mr Clive - 1/12/07 at 08:45 PM

Most kit car owners insure with specialists though. They deal with kit cars on a day to day basis and know that a lot get Q plates.

That quote from Adrian Flux is aimed at normal cars which are on a Q plate due to chassis swaps and the like.

Edited to add - Im sure I read somewhere DVLA are thinking selling personalised Q plates.

[Edited on 1/12/07 by Mr Clive]

snapper - 2/12/07 at 06:44 AM

quote:

how much of the car needs to be from the doner car to qualify for a non Q plate registration?

engine, gearbox and back axle and as long as the numbers match on the V5 you get an age related plate.

Johnmor - 2/12/07 at 10:43 AM

Ref above.

Def not engine unless thay put an alfa v6 in some of the sierras

iank - 3/12/07 at 09:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
just to further incite q-plate reg. hatred, this is what Adrian Flux say.

quote:
Many insurers will run away screaming if you ask them to insure a Q-Plated car, but not us. As experts in finding cover for all types of specialist and unusual vehicles, our quotes department can arrange low cost, high quality insurance cover for your car, whatever its history.

In most cases we won't even require an engineering report. All we normally need to have is confirmation of why the vehicle has been issued a Q-Plate.


All mainstream insurers will refuse to insure a kit anyway (or give a quote that is 2x what the car is worth). But all the kit car specialists ignore Q reg in their weightings.

Now if it was a tin top you should avoid the Q, but the only possible reason for 'us' is trying to get more resale from someone ignorant of kitcars. In that case they probably think your kit was built 20 years ago if it's age related plate and try to knock you down anyway. Only way out of that trap is to use all new parts and get a new reg, but that has it's own problems and isn't really a good way to go unless building a cateringvan (IMO)

MikeRJ - 3/12/07 at 11:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
just to further incite q-plate reg. hatred, this is what Adrian Flux say.

quote:
Many insurers will run away screaming if you ask them to insure a Q-Plated car, but not us. As experts in finding cover for all types of specialist and unusual vehicles, our quotes department can arrange low cost, high quality insurance cover for your car, whatever its history.

In most cases we won't even require an engineering report. All we normally need to have is confirmation of why the vehicle has been issued a Q-Plate.


So Adrian Flux are saying that they have no problem with insuring a car on a Q plate...why should that put people off having a Q reg?

02GF74 - 6/12/07 at 12:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Mr Clive

That quote from Adrian Flux is aimed at normal cars which are on a Q plate due to chassis swaps and the like.



Now that you put it that way, it makes more sense.

It would be an interesting exercise to ring up AF and of kitcar insurers to get quotes for a Q and no-Q plate identical car at same address

And to further fan the flames of anti-Q-platism, have a look at any kit car mag, nearly all the manufacturers show their finished cars with a non q- plate if it has a registration.

I have renamed my teddy bar from Reg to q-plate

gingerpaule - 9/12/07 at 10:15 AM

quote:
It would be an interesting exercise to ring up AF and of kitcar insurers to get quotes for a Q and no-Q plate identical car at same address


When I was getting my insurance arranged before heading to the SVA I asked my broker to do exactly that. It literally doubled the price by having the Q plate.

Hellfire - 9/12/07 at 02:13 PM

If that was the case, I doubt the companies who quoted you were specialist kitcar insurers like Adrian Flux, Footman James etc. Besides which, your vehicle wouldn't have had a registration number allocated prior to SVA, so could only be insured on the chassis number.

Phil