just had word that joao from this forum has received his car safe and sound in lisbon at 8pm last night

his friend also called joao flew over on saturday night and stayed at my house saturday and sunday evening and after the alcohol levels subsided went for a test run on sunday having never driven a bike engined car before before setting off for lisbon


he left here on monday morning at 10 am got to porstmouth at 4-30 after a couple of stops during heavy traffic ( only used Ģ45 of fuel at 70mph ) set sail at 8 pm ferry crossing took 1 and a half days across sea then drove 900 km through spain and reached portugal last night at 8pm safe and sound

the ironic thing is the weather here was great when he left and as soon as he reached spain and portugal it threw it down and had heavy winds causing him to stop for two hours

all looks good for the potential mnr owners trip to portugal next year stopping at estoril circuit for some fun

please register your interest here for a possible week / week and a half holiday next year in your car we will try and take in a couple of circuits along the way but will definately go to estoril, i will of course not be driving my car across as i will be support vehicle in the truck with spares etc although i will take my car for the track days

also like to guage interest in some dedicated mnr track days where i can give you all some tuition and advice on how to set the car up and reduce those laptimes, to raelly get the best from your cars although there are not too many members registered on here i will update all non locost builders members interested on here to give an idea of the numbers
if we get half of the completed cars to come along we should get at least 20 as of today but many more are in the final throws of completion

best regards

marc

Sounds great, shame I own a locost.

Top effort on Joao's part I reckon

Marc - will the trip be limited to MNR owners only? I'd be interested, but you'd have to live with an Indy in your pack

i'd definately be up for both of them Marc (estoril + track days).

theres no way i'd attempt a euro trip on my own but with an engineer in tow how could I say no.

any rough idea of a date? it'll spur me on to get this thing registered

(edit) nearly forgot, Grats on Joao getting his car and Joao(2) getting it over there!
he must be insane to do that!

[Edited on 19/10/06 by Dillinger1977]

He drove it to Portugal? Madness.

I'd be interested in the trackdays. Not sure about the touring. Maybe.

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he must be insane to do that!

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Suprised he aint suffering from Vibration White Arse after that distance!

maybe if we open it up to other cars we could have a gumball type event

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Suprised he aint suffering from Vibration White Arse after that distance!

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maybe if we open it up to other cars we could have a gumball type event

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Marc, the last time I did a European trip, mostly BECS btw, we had too keep stopping for the support van too catch up, fortunately he wasn't needed other than carrying tents food n Beer.......

what van you got ?

First Class effort that!

As for the Estoril trip and the trackdays, as soon as the machine is built, I'd definately be up for those.

European trip would have to be on a trailer though since the car's not being road registered.

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what van you got ?

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Week long trip to portugal with track driving?
Erm, Yes please!

Vortx track days with tuition?
Erm, where do I sign?

Marc,
Any chance of a copy of the SVA map for the Power Commander?

[Edited on 19/10/06 by chockymonster]

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Originally posted by marc n
ref other types of cars coming on the trip, its up to our owners if they mind really

the essence is to offer our owners the same sort of experiances as the westfield clubs do but in a more personal way

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Am I reading this right..

MNR factory built Joao's car, and his friend picked it up and drove it back to Portugal?

Wow, impressive

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Originally posted by G.Man
Am I reading this right..

MNR factory built Joao's car, and his friend picked it up and drove it back to Portugal?

Wow, impressive

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Joao collects kit in van.
Drives back to Portugal
Builds Car (very nice too!)
Tows trailer with car aboard back to Harrogate
Car is SVA'd
Joao(2) flies to UK, picks up road legal car and drives back to Portugal.

yep car came back to us 90% complete ( unfortunately joao ran out of time to his wife expecting twins ) so both joaos spent two days at the workshop finishing off as many bits as possible then flew home we completed and svad then other joao flew over and drove back

best regards

marc

[Edited on 19/10/06 by marc n]

I was waiting for a thread like this to come along!

Top effort Marc. Would very definitely be up for this trip. And I should have the car finished by then....

Jerez really isn't a long drive away too, maybe taking in the east coast of Spain through the South and upto Jerez then into Portugal? The roads upto Rhonda and the like are simply astounding. No straights longer than 500 metres...

Would truly be a trip for all to experience knowing there's a support truck too!

Sign me up, especially to the UK based track days also.

Just gotta get the thing finished now!

Chris.

Count me in for both, although you might need a fuel tanker rather than your van.

Steve.

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Count me in for both, although you might need a fuel tanker rather than your van.

Steve.

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I could well be interested in both track and touring . Dion

I donīt get this.
Is it possible for them without any problems to import an british svaīd car to portugal and drive it there. Donīt they have anything like SVA in portugal?

It's very easy to register a car that's been registered somewhere else in the EU than it is to register a newly built car.
Apparantly it's easier to register it in the UK than somewhere else.

must have been one hell of a R1 engine wonder who supplied it could have been that good looking lad from up yorkshire way


well done is all i can say i drive from leyburn to hull and get a bloody ticket 46 in a 40 sh#t

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Count me in for both, although you might need a fuel tanker rather than your van.

Steve.

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Will we keep having to stop for Ian?

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I'd defo be up for the uk tacking if i ever get finished sounds fantastic

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Originally posted by Agriv8
count me in SWMBO & saving up enough fuel tokens and/or beer tolkens. And PS sombody had better go with a relibale car to keep all those hair dryers on the road.

Light blue touch paper and return to a safe distance

PPS Joke - let skeep it to gentle P*SS taking please .

Regards

Agriv8

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Thinking about it, it's a good job that mine'd be trailered - you should see the size of the weeny tank I've opted for!!

I'd need to develop some sort of 'in flight' refueling otherwise by the time I got to Portugal you'd all be on your way back

Anyway, when's the trip?

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And PS sombody had better go with a relibale car to keep all those hair dryers on the road.

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speaking of hair dryers, my missus is dead keen on the idea but the first thing she said was 'oh if theres a truck that means I can take more stuff'...

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Unlikely to have time for Portugal trip but Dan & myself will definitely up for the trackdays. Bring it on.
Cheers
Ian

[Edited on 20/10/06 by roadboy]

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Originally posted by Dillinger1977
speaking of hair dryers, my missus is dead keen on the idea but the first thing she said was 'oh if theres a truck that means I can take more stuff'...

so you might find the 'support' vehicle ends up full of 'other halfs' hair dryers and clothes.....

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forget the clothes

Shoes 1 week holiday requires 9 pairs of shoes ( i dont think i own 9 pairs of shoes )

regards

Agriv8

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Mine made a comment about fibreglass seats and long distance journeys.

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Originally posted by marc n

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speaking of hair dryers, my missus is dead keen on the idea but the first thing she said was 'oh if theres a truck that means I can take more stuff'...

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shes right imagine all the beer we can fit in on the return journey

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Can we drive back through germany and stop off somewhere near nurburg

Marc,

Count me in for all. This is obviously on 2 conditions: I get the feckin' thing finished then registered and that I can evade capture by the rozzers after robbing a bank for the funds.

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must have been one hell of a R1 engine wonder who supplied it could have been that good looking lad from up yorkshire way

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well it seems there is plenty of interest in the trip to portugal / trackdays and a proper owners club which is fantastic


one of our customers who came this morning has expressed that he would like to setup a mnr championship of some sort most likely to include sprints etc with us providing some decent prizes so i would like to check interest in this idea too

i feel that this side of mnr is very important as i have been very lucky to meet a lot of great prople who have become customers and freinds
and im sure like minded petrol heads should gather more often to share in the fun and experiance of owning/ building the cars and most importantly using them

for this reason i am happy to support the owners club and race ideas as much as humanly possible ( bearing in mind how busy we are ) by providing web space clothing, prizes and events and im open to any ideas of group events etc ( as long as i dont have to drive the truck all the time )

As many of you will know im getting itchy feet and desperate to go racing next year and have already built both my racecars a rgb seven and a lmp bikesports plus we may also do some other series where the cars are eligible

we also have 5 - 10 customers who will be competing next year possibly more with the advent of a mnr type series, we would like to involve our customers as much as possible in our exploits so will be giving away tickets to come and spend a weekend watching the racing and being part of our team maybe even inspiring some of you to give the racing a go

these are all ideas im bouncing off you guys to see which direction you would like to see this going in as it is your club so you should decide

best regards

marc

just seen this been away for nearly two weeks.....without internet.....and italy again tomorrow all week....bugger!!!!

Count me in on all accounts....especially the track days.....


russ

[Edited on 21/10/06 by rjbrookes]

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Originally posted by G.Man
Am I reading this right..

MNR factory built Joao's car, and his friend picked it up and drove it back to Portugal?

Wow, impressive

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I think the story's better than that.

Joao collects kit in van.
Drives back to Portugal
Builds Car (very nice too!)
Tows trailer with car aboard back to Harrogate
Car is SVA'd
Joao(2) flies to UK, picks up road legal car and drives back to Portugal.

I think that's what happened..... apologies if I'm wrong!

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Originally posted by Jonte
I donīt get this.
Is it possible for them without any problems to import an british svaīd car to portugal and drive it there. Donīt they have anything like SVA in portugal?

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Sounds like a great idea Marc!

I for one would be very up for the idea of seeing MNR compete in RGB and the like. I'd definitely like to see how competitive these VortXs are in comparison to the other manufacturers.

You say you've got the LMP car finished too Marc!? Pictures!! What engine did you use in the end?

Chris.

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No, unfortunetly we do not.
What we are doing is importing a second hand UK immatriculated car as if it were a, say, a Ford.

João Matoso

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Originally posted by tks
hope you can inform me about the trick you apply since iīm in the same boat!

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But any other car has a EEG / CE homologation... and the SVA is a National homologation...

and a country has some rulez to be able to apeal any import wich isnīt EEG / CE homologation.. anyway the process is easyer then homologate it overhere to the standard of here..


Tks

An EU National Homologation is valid in any EU country due to an european directive.

You are getting just half of the fun that building and legalizing was.


. bought kit on the phone (never saw one in flesh, never drove one)
. March, 17, flew to UK with (pregnant) wife, bought a Mondeo near Manchester, bought a trailer near Stoke on Trent, drove to MNR
. met Marc and Chris
. collect kit
. drove back to Portugal
. build car (90% as Marc said)
. July, 25th, loaded the trailer and returned to UK with Joao Matoso.
. trailer went on eBay, Mondeo on Marc's hands, and VortX on finishing touches
. Me and Matoso... we got back on a motorcycle that I bought near Darley
. Missed the ferry to Santander, so I had to go to North France... and all the way down to Portugal
. MNR finished the car and SVAed it
. October, 14, Joao Matoso flew to Leeds, went to MNR, after never driving such a beast took off to Portsmouth, ferry to Bilbao (where he was treated as Schumacher ), and then to Lisbon (under HEAVY HEAVY rain and T-Storms).

Madness??? No way... pure absence of brain

The point is.. there is no point, just passion!

Defenetly it wouldn't be possible if there were no Marc or Chris, as they have been fabolous helping in everything.

THANKS MARC.
THANKS CHRIS.

Cheers to MNR.

Joao

PS: forgot to mention... not revealing his age, Matoso is old school... actually he is Before-School ... no... 57, actually

Awesome story! You nutjob!

It certainly says something about the car to drive it back from Harrogate after SVA without any problems.

Good luck and enjoy the car,

You certainly sound mad enough to get the most from a nutty car!

Chris.

Jajajaja what a story i guess basicly every overseas client does this!!

i brought it via E-MAIL!!!!and never driven or seen one in reallife!

but i opted for transport to my location of the chasis by a transporter.

Legalization:
Can you give me that EEC directive??

Regards,

Tks

[Edited on 24/10/06 by tks]

TKS

The UK sva is EU recognised..

Thats why I was able to bring my car to cyprus..

Only problem was DVLA fecked up the paperwork

Cyprus is ownen by england not??
Sow perhaps thats different.

anyway i hope its true because it wil mean the spanish goverment cant reject my import but i doupt it. Everyone says thats difficult!

Ask Alezz...Alez are ya there??

Tks

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Cyprus is ownen by england not??

Tks

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oepsz sorry..

yesterday i talked to BOB and he said something about that.. he came with the idea for me to bring hte car to gibraltar??
but there isnīt a sva station there (obviously) i interpretended his words wrong..

sorry

Tks

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Originally posted by JoaoCaldeira
You are getting just half of the fun that building and legalizing was.


. bought kit on the phone (never saw one in flesh, never drove one)
. March, 17, flew to UK with (pregnant) wife, bought a Mondeo near Manchester, bought a trailer near Stoke on Trent, drove to MNR
. met Marc and Chris
. collect kit
. drove back to Portugal
. build car (90% as Marc said)
. July, 25th, loaded the trailer and returned to UK with Joao Matoso.
. trailer went on eBay, Mondeo on Marc's hands, and VortX on finishing touches
. Me and Matoso... we got back on a motorcycle that I bought near Darley
. Missed the ferry to Santander, so I had to go to North France... and all the way down to Portugal
. MNR finished the car and SVAed it
. October, 14, Joao Matoso flew to Leeds, went to MNR, after never driving such a beast took off to Portsmouth, ferry to Bilbao (where he was treated as Schumacher ), and then to Lisbon (under HEAVY HEAVY rain and T-Storms).

Madness??? No way... pure absence of brain

The point is.. there is no point, just passion!

Defenetly it wouldn't be possible if there were no Marc or Chris, as they have been fabolous helping in everything.

THANKS MARC.
THANKS CHRIS.

Cheers to MNR.

Joao

PS: forgot to mention... not revealing his age, Matoso is old school... actually he is Before-School ... no... 57, actually

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Joao,

In the politest possible English:

You sir are a nutter!

Paul

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Joao,

In the politest possible English:

You sir are a nutter!

Paul

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The UK sva is EU recognised..

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Same thing I am planning to do. Buy kit in UK, get transport company to bring it to Hungary, build it, trailer it back to UK, SVA it and have it fully registered (not sure on whose name though as I imagine that you need utility bills in the UK and the rest to be able to insure the car...), once it is fully road legal, import it - trailer or drive - back to Hungary, where it would have to go through the Hungarian version of the MOT and get a licence plate...

That's theory, we'll see how it works in practice. As far as I know it has not been done by anyone yet in Hungary... I know of someone with a half built Fury who is not sure if he'll ever be able to drive it on the road...

I am confident that this theory works though...

As for Sweden I thought I heard that you have a sort of SVA in Sweden am I wrong?

Joaos, great story! Very similar to what I am planning! Great stuff!

Gergely

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That doesnīt apply in sweden.
We canīt buy a amatuer built car in any other country and bring it here legally. Thereīs one exception, and that is if you live in for example U.K for a year and own that car for at least 12 months. After that you can drive it in sweden.

*Amateur built car is every car that isnīt built by a (as our goverment would say) real car manufactory. So a turn-key car from Ultima, Caterham or RH is classified as a amatuer built car

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Originally posted by Jonte

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Originally posted by G.Man
The UK sva is EU recognised..

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That doesnīt apply in sweden.
We canīt buy a amatuer built car in any other country and bring it here legally. Thereīs one exception, and that is if you live in for example U.K for a year and own that car for at least 12 months. After that you can drive it in sweden.

*Amateur built car is every car that isnīt built by a (as our goverment would say) real car manufactory. So a turn-key car from Ultima, Caterham or RH is classified as a amatuer built car

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That words do axactly the rumours here in spain!

But there are more ways!! to rome also in sweden!

If you can get your car homologated to EU level. it will enter every country without a spark of problems!!!

Here in spain there exist a homologation company wich do just that. Homologate to EU level. problem is that it isnīt easy to cope with that!

If you reed this artikel, you will see that it states that it should be possible but like always some exeptions.

this is the link. (in the upper bar you can switch language)

LINK TO EU RULEZ SVA EU COUNTRY (ESPANOL)

LINK IN ENGLISH

LINK IN HUNGARIUNurl]


Regards,

Tks

[url=http://eur-lex.europa.eu/Result.do?chlang=nl&titre=titre&arg1=&Submit=Zoeken&RechType=RECH_mot&idRoot=1&arg0=31996Y0513(0 1)&arg2=&refinecode=LEG*T1=V100;T2=V1;T3=V1]MAIN LINK

[Edited on 27/10/06 by tks]

hi walter still havent recieved an email to mnrsportscars@btinternet.com from you what would the sender be displayed as ???????

Tks,

I can't seem to change the language in the link you sent... is it just me???

I am interested in what it says though...

Gergely

i have sended a new one.

the other wasn't sended sow nothing wrong with the damn computers

Cheers,

Walter

i quote from the document

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It follows that Member States may not object to the type-approval and registration of a vehicle previously type-approved and registered in another Member State, for reasons relating to the technical characteristics of that vehicle, unless the reasons specified in Article 36 or imperative considerations are involved, in which case they must state them in detail and substantiate them. The fact that a vehicle type-approved and registered in another Member State does not correspond to a type approved in the Member State of destination or that its technical characteristics differ from those laid down in the law of that State does not of itself constitute adequate grounds for refusing the type-approval and registration of the vehicle concerned.

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Originally posted by tks
That words do axactly the rumours here in spain!

But there are more ways!! to rome also in sweden!

If you can get your car homologated to EU level. it will enter every country without a spark of problems!!!

Here in spain there exist a homologation company wich do just that. Homologate to EU level. problem is that it isnīt easy to cope with that!

If you reed this artikel, you will see that it states that it should be possible but like always some exeptions.

this is the link. (in the upper bar you can switch language)

LINK TO EU RULEZ SVA EU COUNTRY (ESPANOL)

LINK IN ENGLISH

LINK IN HUNGARIUNurl]


Regards,

Tks

[url=http://eur-lex.europa.eu/Result.do?chlang=nl&titre=titre&arg1=&Submit=Zoeken&RechType=RECH_mot&idRoot=1&arg0=31996Y0513(0 1)&arg2=&refinecode=LEG*T1=V100;T2=V1;T3=V1]MAIN LINK

[Edited on 27/10/06 by tks]

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Member States may not make the registration of a vehicle from another Member State, where it has been previously type-approved and registered, conditional upon its conformity with an approved type or upon its strict compliance with requirements in force on their territory. It should be borne in mind that this point only arises in the case of national type-approval since, where EC type-approval has been obtained, by definition it is valid for that model in all Member States.

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Do you have prove wich says that the SVA is an EU homologation??

For example is there a homologation number on your car document??


Tks

The SVA certificate number is printed on the V5 in the section, type approval number...



[Edited on 27/10/06 by G.Man]

does it start with a e?

Regards,

Tks

p.d. iīm in no offence to you its just that i try to prepare my paperwork.

With proof material.

No its starts with an AA, only EU type approval numbers start with a E, as they represent the Generic Type Approval not single vehicle approval

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_roads/documents/page/dft_roads_506874-01.hcsp

Full details of the scope and purpose of UK SVA is here..





[Edited on 27/10/06 by G.Man]

Sow this is the proof that the SVA isnīt a EU homologation!!

Else it would start with a e number not??

you say that AA means EU, single aproval?

Tks

p.d. i hop you are right but wy spain etc. can reject those cars??

Sow who is right?

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For first maybe this thread should be split in to 2 different, we are going OT here

My technical english isnīt so good and definatly not my bureaucratic english.

But as I understand these "kit-cars" are not crash tested, therefor not approved by swedish SVA as a "complete" car.
Then you donīt have the same builder for all of them. For example Caterham doesnīt build every Caterham thatīs on the road. But as for Ford, Lotus, Bentley and on, they are built by a company and then approved as a whole-built car (donīt know the correct word for that).

But for me this aint really a problem. Itīs rather easy to build a kit-car and get it approved here in sweden. The rules are mostly the same for the british SVA as for the swedish SVA.
But without those silly radius and rubbercovers on every nut and bolt

TKS,

In the UK the SVA test is used to make sure a car is fit for the UK roads. It stands for Single Vehicle Approval, it is used for one make cars (like ours) cars imported from abroad etc.

A lot of people have done the registration in the uk and then imported it to their own country, so stop panicking!

i will shutup then

Anyway! i want to go to estoril to!!

because its only 400Km from here i guess.

maybe even less..

Cheers,

Tks

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Sow who is right?

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Tks

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I think there is a confusion here.

EU homologation is one thing (mandatory acceptance in all EU countries)

National homologation is antoher (like SVA, which every other EU country must accept if its legislation compies with this EU directive)

Cheers,
João

Hmmm due to our local 'lack of' laws reagrding SVA ... i have been told it might be easier to Import a ready built/second hand car ... I wanted tu build mine!!

and SVA it in the UK
and import it..

its the way things should go..

malta is way of...

i woul djust build it and confrontate the state with the rulez wich are needed..

easy..

Tks

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Originally posted by tks
i woul djust build it and confrontate the state with the rulez wich are needed..

easy..

Tks

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