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unijacko67 - 18/11/12 at 11:34 PM

I bet he wishes he hadn’t said he would like to take the Lambo for a spin.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233278/Unlucky-mechanic-crashes-MoT-test-run-time-20-years--220-000-Lamborghini.html

morcus - 19/11/12 at 12:00 AM

Just one of the reasons why I watch them do my MOT, and I've never had anything particularly likely to be taken out on a joy ride like that.

unijacko67 - 19/11/12 at 12:32 AM

This part of the report made me even less sympathetic to the mechanic (not that I ever was) as it seems to me like he left the scene of an accident.

Taken from the report:

I do question the honesty of the mechanic/garage and the capability of this driver. I have driven various high performance cars & never lost control at 25-30mph as I value the cars I drive & wouldn't risk crashing them & I certainly wouldn't risk crashing someone elses pride & joy. The mechanic should have been 100% cautious driving this car as it is not his property. I have seen the CCTV footage & the rate that he was coming down the road out of control does not appear to be 25-30mph, he crashes into the ford focus then drives away, he then drives back past the seen of the accident slowing down briefly to have a look then drives off. The police car arrives a very short time later & at no point do you see the mechanic stop. The owner of the lamborghini was in the pub at the weekend, confirming the first he had heard of this accident was when the police knocked on his door at home. Absolutely appalling!!! This garage should be struck off!!! He is very lucky nobody was hurt!!

blakep82 - 19/11/12 at 12:49 AM

quote:
Originally posted by unijacko67
This part of the report made me even less sympathetic to the mechanic (not that I ever was) as it seems to me like he left the scene of an accident.

Taken from the report:

I do question the honesty of the mechanic/garage and the capability of this driver. I have driven various high performance cars & never lost control at 25-30mph as I value the cars I drive & wouldn't risk crashing them & I certainly wouldn't risk crashing someone elses pride & joy. The mechanic should have been 100% cautious driving this car as it is not his property. I have seen the CCTV footage & the rate that he was coming down the road out of control does not appear to be 25-30mph, he crashes into the ford focus then drives away, he then drives back past the seen of the accident slowing down briefly to have a look then drives off. The police car arrives a very short time later & at no point do you see the mechanic stop. The owner of the lamborghini was in the pub at the weekend, confirming the first he had heard of this accident was when the police knocked on his door at home. Absolutely appalling!!! This garage should be struck off!!! He is very lucky nobody was hurt!!

thats not really part of any report though, thats just reader comments which may or may not be biassed in any direction, may or may not be fact, and most likely biassed toward the cars owner, might possibly be slightly exaggerated, and may not not contain many facts.
someone could just as easily write about what they had for their dinner... so i wouldn't take tooooo much notice of it.

but yes, he wasn't very clever was he?

unijacko67 - 19/11/12 at 01:06 AM

Well I did hear the first thing the owner of the car that was hit was the note on the windscreen. Surely you would ask at the nearest business before pi$$ing off. I will try to get the video as its all on tape.

[Edited on 19/11/12 by unijacko67]

puma931 - 19/11/12 at 08:49 AM

Why do they need to do a road "test" as part of an MOT?

David Jenkins - 19/11/12 at 08:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by puma931
Why do they need to do a road "test" as part of an MOT?

I was visiting a garage a few years back when a customer brought his Ferrari in for an MOT. It took 4 mechanics to put it on the ramp, 1 driving and 3 watching to make sure that the under-tray didn't scrape on the ramp. They then decided that there was no way that it would go on the brake rollers without grounding. I guess that this would be a similar case...

...but it does sound like he was having a quick joy-ride and messed it up.

Strontium Dog - 19/11/12 at 10:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by puma931
Why do they need to do a road "test" as part of an MOT?

My local MOT station have to road test my GT4 Celica as their brake tester cant do 4WD cars. They strap an inertia brake tester into the passenger seat and go for a drive. They do try not to crash it while on the test though!

roadrunner - 19/11/12 at 10:21 AM

DOHHHH!!!!!

froggy - 19/11/12 at 10:30 AM

I never let my staff out in a car like this without going with them .

dhutch - 19/11/12 at 11:30 AM

Yeah, says it had to be a road test as its 4wd. Im quite sure the 'gutted' is an understatment of the year.

Daniel

unijacko67 - 19/11/12 at 03:25 PM

This is the cctv, sorry about the add's. The driver is coming up hill as he first comes into camera shot, sidways!!!!!

http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/video/1969030826001/?ref=vidshare

[Edited on 19/11/12 by unijacko67]

MikeRJ - 19/11/12 at 04:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Daily Mail reader
This garage should be struck off!!!

This comment is absolutely typical of the attitude and intelligence of The Daily Mails target readership. Thick, bigoted journalists for thick bigoted people.

unijacko67 - 19/11/12 at 04:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ

quote:
Originally posted by Daily Mail reader
This garage should be struck off!!!

This comment is absolutely typical of the attitude and intelligence of The Daily Mails target readership. Thick, bigoted journalists for thick bigoted people.

Surely you don’t condone the drivers actions as he doesn’t even hesitate to think about stopping. Busted!!!!

JAG - 19/11/12 at 04:21 PM

In my business (I work in the Engineering dep't of a car manufacturer) you wouldn't be allowed to drive a Lamborghini without having passed our internal assessment for high performance cars.

To imagine that just anyone, even an experienced MOT tester (!!) can handle such a powerful and expensive car is stupid and reckless and bound to end in very expensive tears.

MOT Tester and Garage Owner want shooting IMHO

[Edited on 19/11/12 by JAG]

monck - 19/11/12 at 05:08 PM

My 7 had no clearance and would not go on brake rollers to test brakes they did not take it round the block to test ..

steve m - 19/11/12 at 05:42 PM

My tester just asked if the brakes worked, and i said yes,
Pass

MikeRJ - 19/11/12 at 05:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by unijacko67

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ

quote:
Originally posted by Daily Mail reader
This garage should be struck off!!!

This comment is absolutely typical of the attitude and intelligence of The Daily Mails target readership. Thick, bigoted journalists for thick bigoted people.

Surely you don’t condone the drivers actions as he doesn’t even hesitate to think about stopping. Busted!!!!

Of course not, he needs to face the consequences of his stupid actions. However, to call for the garage that employs him to be "struck off" is both profoundly thick (struck off what? a garage isn't like a barrister or doctor) and a typical over-reaction to punish numerous people for the actions of an individual.

bigfoot4616 - 19/11/12 at 07:48 PM

i know the lad that was driving although not seen him for a lot of years, he always used to be a bit of a knob.

NigeEss - 19/11/12 at 07:50 PM

"With the Lamborghini being a four-wheel drive, it has to be road tested to test the efficiency of the brakes"

Errm..bullsh*.*

The two garages I use for all my MOT tests have a brake testers that do 4wd, the rollers simply turn opposite
directions.
And watching the video....25mph....yeah, right.
Out for a jolly without a doubt.

[Edited on 19/11/12 by NigeEss]

JoelP - 19/11/12 at 08:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by NigeEss
The two garages I use for all my MOT tests have a brake testers that do 4wd, the rollers simply turn opposite
directions.

[Edited on 19/11/12 by NigeEss]

Wouldnt that ruin your centre diff if it was LSD or similar?

r1_pete - 19/11/12 at 08:45 PM

Presumably for full time 4x4 all 4 wheels would need to be on rollers, 2 being tested and 2 idling.

How would they cater for different wheelbases??

Something I'd not thought about before, glad my L200 is selectable, and they don't need to go joy riding, sorry brake testing, in it

unijacko67 - 19/11/12 at 08:48 PM

I fitted a kitchen a couple of years ago for the bloke who owns the Lambo, and in the couple of weeks I was there we got one day when it was dry enough for him to take me out in it, you cant possibly see what it can do in the wet. The thing that surprised me was it just didn’t stop pulling, I’ve not been in many fast cars, but was impressed. I bet it could just about keep up with a few cars on here lol. On a serious note who on here Power to weight beats it. He must be mad as hell.

NigeEss - 19/11/12 at 09:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JoelP

quote:
Originally posted by NigeEss
The two garages I use for all my MOT tests have a brake testers that do 4wd, the rollers simply turn opposite
directions.

[Edited on 19/11/12 by NigeEss]

Wouldnt that ruin your centre diff if it was LSD or similar?

Interesting point ! Never thought of that.
Still think he was out for a jolly though.

ashg - 19/11/12 at 11:44 PM

shit happens its only a car..... hell its not like the guy spent years of his life in a shed building it only for some numpty to wreck it beyond repair. as for it being a special edition...... blah thats just something they make up to fool rich people out of more money.

i know a chap that has had an r8 (wrote of in the med), the week later he had a new lambo, got bored of that and got a dbs. the other week he picked up his nice little ferrari 458. to top it off he is 26, people that can afford those kind of cars see them like you or i see a nice bmw/merc, yes its a nice car and its not cheap but its only a car....

here are a couple of snaps for those that like shiny things

as to who he is and how he can afford the cars i would rather not discuss but what i will say is over all the cars i would prefer to have the lear jet

ashg - 19/11/12 at 11:47 PM

btw cant be too angry with the mechanic you only live once the car can be repaired, and if the guy is really worried about the resale value then he cant afford the car

steve m - 19/11/12 at 11:58 PM

Ash

Sorry, but i disagree, the owner of the car or any car, has bought loved/cherished his pride of joy, and i would be horrified if any prick like the one who smashed up the lambo ever sat in the car let alone drove it

How would you feel, if your 7 was driven in such a manner, and it came back to you all smashed up

If it was my car, "the culprit" would be made to pay every single penny owed, and that would also include depreciation as well

Steve

ashg - 20/11/12 at 12:29 AM

the point im making is that someone with several million in the bank who can afford those sorts of cars rarely loves or cherishes them. typically they are assets at best just nice cars to them.. yes it was an expensive car and yes the chap that crashed it should pay for the damage but its not the end of the world.

if he really loved it and was that concerned about it then why did he leave it at the garage and go off... yes you should be able to trust them but honestly would you? i certainly wouldn't leave my roadster un-supervised.

the chap i know would only come down on the garage if they hadn't of asked if they could drive it, the damage would be insignificant to him financially. e.g. he spent two grand on two shirts the other day like it was a tenner. it would be the principle that he would get upset about. the jet costs more to run per year than all the cars..............

i value my roadster in a completely different way to the way he values his cars. mine cost not only money but blood sweat and tears, and he would agree that i am far more precious about the roadster than he has ever been over any car.

DIY Si - 20/11/12 at 05:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by steve m
My tester just asked if the brakes worked, and i said yes,
Pass

I've had this, despite offering to take the tester round the block. He took one look at the car and said there was no way in hell he was getting in it!

beaver34 - 20/11/12 at 06:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by unijacko67
I fitted a kitchen a couple of years ago for the bloke who owns the Lambo, and in the couple of weeks I was there we got one day when it was dry enough for him to take me out in it, you cant possibly see what it can do in the wet. The thing that surprised me was it just didn’t stop pulling, I’ve not been in many fast cars, but was impressed. I bet it could just about keep up with a few cars on here lol. On a serious note who on here Power to weight beats it. He must be mad as hell.

There are afew on here would show that Lamborghini up, until 140mph I would think what bhp per ton do they have?

Although I know what I would own!

froggy - 20/11/12 at 06:49 PM

A bec with 200hp might sneak it over the 1/4 mile but straight line roll on runs the lambo will stride away .

Peteff - 20/11/12 at 07:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bigfoot4616
i know the lad that was driving although not seen him for a lot of years, he always used to be a bit of a knob.

He speaks very highly of you too I bet

unijacko67 - 20/11/12 at 08:04 PM

Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 Power, 471 kw (632 bhp / 640 ps) @ 8000 rpm ... Power to Weight ratio, 350 bhp/tonne.

froggy - 20/11/12 at 08:11 PM

Worked on a few gaillardo,s but only driven one murciellago , they gather speed with so little drama it's easy to get into trouble . From 80-140 in 4th gear is pretty epic

Stott - 20/11/12 at 08:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by unijacko67
Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 Power, 471 kw (632 bhp / 640 ps) @ 8000 rpm ... Power to Weight ratio, 350 bhp/tonne.

<<<<<< 363/tonne

high speed the lambo would be gone due to aero, there's probably loads on here with similar power to weight and a few with a lot more

beaver34 - 20/11/12 at 08:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by unijacko67
Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 Power, 471 kw (632 bhp / 640 ps) @ 8000 rpm ... Power to Weight ratio, 350 bhp/tonne.

I should be ok with 600bhp per ton then

froggy - 20/11/12 at 09:28 PM

It depends how you achieve the ratio . Above 100mph the power needed to accelerate at the same rate starts ramping up pretty quickly so a lightweight 600hp/tonne with 250-300hp is no match for 600hp

unijacko67 - 20/11/12 at 09:58 PM

How does your Kitten compare with some of the top cars you’ve driven Froggy. I wasn’t that shocked by the Lambos acceleration as I was expecting it to be wick, but it just kept pulling and pulling which did surprise me a bit. Unlike you I was in the passanger seat, trying to find a brake pedal in the footwell.

froggy - 20/11/12 at 10:41 PM

Not very scientific but I had a good run with my mates duratec r500 pulling out onto a dual carriageway ,he pulled a good 50 yards by the time I got info third gear and full boost I had caught him at just under 100mph and pulled away . Rolling starts above 60 mph the Caterham pulls a couple of yards while mine hitches up its skirt . On paper the same power to weight but mine has twice the power 200 lb/ft more and 400kg extra lard .

bigfoot4616 - 20/11/12 at 10:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Peteff

quote:
Originally posted by bigfoot4616
i know the lad that was driving although not seen him for a lot of years, he always used to be a bit of a knob.

He speaks very highly of you too I bet

probably not

froggy - 20/11/12 at 11:01 PM

I don't see many super cars but the owners are usually pretty savvy people . A gaillardo owner used to go to lambo in Manchester for service but he wouldn't let them do any consumable work like clutches or brakes . He got a clutch wear report and would source the heavy duty clutch from Italy and we would fit it saving him £1500 . These things eat clutches in a few 1000 miles if you use the launch control a lot .

MRLuke - 20/11/12 at 11:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by unijacko67
This is the cctv, sorry about the add's. The driver is coming up hill as he first comes into camera shot, sidways!!!!!

http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/video/1969030826001/?ref=vidshare

[Edited on 19/11/12 by unijacko67]

Thats not sideways thats backwards.

Pretty good effort to get that much out of shape.

BangedupTiger - 21/11/12 at 12:16 AM

My mates brother bought his gallardo when he was 17, he never managed to crash and he drove like a complete tool.

Can only assume the "experienced" driver was wearing high heels and applying his makeup.

unijacko67 - 22/11/12 at 11:57 PM

Got the original IDIS file cctv footage, but not sure how to upload it.