i have been out to some that did have a clear bic pen used.
there are loads of guys robing houses when the key is in the door over night. here is how they open it they carry a bic pen and super glue it to the but of the key and wait 30 secomds and turn it to open the door.rob the house and also take your car,and dont think a yale is any good i can open one as fast as you can with a key ,and i dont need a key to do it or any fancy tools.and i wont break anythind or make a lot of noise.i just filck it open.
surely a bic pen is too big of a diameter to fit down the hole?
ok a bic styled pen
i have been out to some that did have a clear bic pen used.
are you a locksmith or a theif?!!
I want the glue that has enough shear strength to turn a lock based on the surface area of the end of a pen.
Or even a thief ? 
Only thing I ever managed to glue with stupid glue was my thumb to the worktop 
P.S. we leave the chain on as well.
[Edited on 9/11/09 by Peteff]
oops i before e except after c!
Despite SWMBOs best efforts to leave the cars unlocked and the keys in the outside of the front door I always lock, chain and remove the keys. Habit
and routine are the "key" here IMHO.
I still can't get my parents to take the key out of the door at night though!
Good at finding the door key when your house is on fire?
I saw a programme on 'shed' today - where all the house doors automatically opened when the fire alarm goes off.
I'm sure a burglar could blow some smoke into the house to set off the alarm......
OK - it may be noisy but it is open...........
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Originally posted by alistairolsen
I want the glue that has enough shear strength to turn a lock based on the surface area of the end of a pen.
I intend to use it on my prop to gearbox fitting
The idea of the bic pen or more to the point a pea stick or similar is that the hand goes through the letterbox with the stick, the stick goes through
the ring that the key os on. A bit of a wiggle and the key comes out of the lock and slides down the stick to your hand. It's a similar problem
if they are on a side table or a hook near the door. This works with a bit of practise with chains as well.
Some little sh1tbags are very good at what they do - shame it's not productive though 
Steve
Provided the key is away from a glazed area where the glass could be broken and the key turned it is a good idea to leave the key in. This stops burgulars picking the lock or using a key to gain access.
you need a old wooden door like my front door, its one of them ones that only the owner can open.
you need the right key, lift the key to the left when turning whilst applying pressure with your foot to the bottom of the door so that the key will
turn as the door warps when the sun shines on it.
failing that just lob a brick through the rear window.
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Originally posted by alistairolsen
I want the glue that has enough shear strength to turn a lock based on the surface area of the end of a pen.
used to break into my own house in a similar fashion many years ago unscrew the handle etc outside. key in the door, and there was a nice slot made
in the barrel in the factory to turn with a flat screw driver with the key left in the lock.
i was 12
My extensive experiance in this field showed the burglars prefered patio doors.
Others did the house over with a furniture van.....or worse armed crims waiting for you to pullin behind you in a driveway.
I have been to loads of houses that got taken out by the crims.
There is a common lock that is used that one smack defeats it.
The fisherman method is a crude method
that is suprisingly effective in a domestic situation.
Shops were done over with pickups in running ram raids.
All I remember is that the bars we used ended up in 20mm with rebar rolling round inside. That was a big step up from the 6mm rod we started with.
Gates on the doors , bars on the windows and razor wire round the fenceline.........dont want to go back that situation ever again....
the trick with the pen is almost right but its usually a metal tube.......
and it works.
ps im not a copper or burglar.....
Pedantic I know but here goes, I can't take it any more. You can't have a house "robed" or even robbed" it's burglary
and no company with 3 letters "riped" you off, though very possibly ripped you off.
Good God its nearly as bad as the brought/bought thing.
And breaatheeee.
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Originally posted by mistergrumpy
Pedantic I know but here goes, I can't take it any more. You can't have a house "robed" or even robbed" it's burglary and no company with 3 letters "riped" you off, though very possibly ripped you off.
Good God its nearly as bad as the brought/bought thing.
And breaatheeee.
whats wrong with a good ol brick?
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Originally posted by mistergrumpy
Pedantic I know but here goes, I can't take it any more. You can't have a house "robed" or even robbed" it's burglary and no company with 3 letters "riped" you off, though very possibly ripped you off.
Good God its nearly as bad as the brought/bought thing.
And breaatheeee.
quote:
Originally posted by mistergrumpy
Pedantic I know but here goes, I can't take it any more. You can't have a house "robed" or even robbed" it's burglary and no company with 3 letters "riped" you off, though very possibly ripped you off.
Good God its nearly as bad as the brought/bought thing.
And breaatheeee.
I apologise for the topic hijack. I also hate the awful spelling, especially as most web browsers spell check for you. As the communication is
solely written I don't think its too much effort to try to be clear.
My pet hate which I see all the time is "Advise needed on engine"..... Are you sure? Wouldn't you rather ask for some advice?
Please remember
Some people are good with numbers,
Some people are good with spanners,
Some people are good with words and sentances.
I suffer from dyslexia but I am reasonably good with numbers and spanners
Regards
Agriv8
Now , Now gentlemen, I'm sure there's more deserving things out there to get all het up about.
Everyone makes the odd typo or spelling mistake, and unfortunately I find they are much easier to spot AFTER you have submitted a post! I always edit my posts if there are spelling mistakes though, I find it a bit embarrassing.
some people#s spelling is terrible but thats got nothing to do with your house being broken into, is it?
unless your particular burglar is crap at spelling...
I'll apologise for being so picky it's just that spelling does do my head in and I appreciate that some people struggle with dyslexia tc.
It's my problem and I'lll get over it but at least try and make an effort like not regularly posting in capital letters!
On another note, cheers for that Scootz it's quite interesting. Just had a quick look and it's down as "theft by housebreaking".
Burglary in England and Wales can also be entering and committing or intending to commit criminal damage or GBH so there's a wider scope to
collar people for it. I'll remember that when I have to deal with Scots, cheers mate.
In Scots Law you've got 3 specific common-law crimes surrounding Housebreaking...
Theft by Housebreaking
Housebreaking With Intent
Attempted Housebreaking With Intent
You also have a rather old (but still relevant) Scots crime of 'Hamesucken'. This is where someone forces entry into a house, not to
steal, but to assault the occupants!
All are crimes punishable by imprisonment, so there are grounds for detention and arrest.
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Originally posted by luke_stephenson
oops i before e except after c!
I am much more aware of this at my house as one late slightly drunk night i had forgotten my key and used my belt to open the normal lock through the
letter box ingenious but highlights the dangers. We still leave the key in the lower lock as an extra precaution which i think we will stop now so
thanks.
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Originally posted by Hellfire
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Originally posted by luke_stephenson
oops i before e except after c!
Not always the case...... Weird isn't it?
Seize, leisure, height, science, society etc
Phil