should fire works be banned and showed by the local councils

the reason why i ask is as i type i have a shivering dog bewildered by what is happening and scared stupid and doped up at my feet and have seen what fire works can do in the wrong hands.

I'm with you on this one.

I'm generally against banning things but fireworks are dangerous and annoying and get out of hand - I can't see another option.

Last year I got one thrown at my car - didn't do any harm but the bang caused more than a minor distraction as I drove over it.

It is normally like a war zone around buxton in the weeks leading upto nov 5th, although this year it hasn't beena s bad.

My idiot neighbour has just been demonstrating how much of a prat he is by letting off huge fireworks in his 1.5 by 2.5m garden - I was coughing with the smoke in my front room and I haven't seen the cat scince.

Sorry to be a party pooper but there are far to many idiots out there for them to be readily available.

Phil

As someone born in York (the birthplace of Guy Faulks), I have to say that Guy was the only person to enter parliament with good intentions. As for fireworks, it is impossible to regulate the use whilst they are on open sale, I guess that 80% are misused by the amount going off locally - and yes my dogs are terrified by them, they have been going off for about the last 2 weeks, one day of terror for them is too much, but probably acceptable to the general public, but a fortnight is a little over the top

here is an idea why doesn't the government add a tax to them!! ha

They got banned in SA for a few years and it was peace but the local indian comunity campained for their festivals. So the govt restricted imports and made it professional show only.

Was great no idiots shooting rockets at each other.......

Ban the sale of the bloody things to the public. Organised displays are the only place for them. Every year people are maimed by them.
Apart from that my 2 daughters(2 and4) have been scared witless by the noise around here tonight and the same thing will happen tomorrow,etc.
Pity it isn't p#ssing down with rain.
Ian

And while they're at it outlaw mischievous night too.... I had half a wall brick thrown at my business car... all the family in it! 1 metre further down the car it would have gone through the passenger side window and possibly killed the missus. Luckily all I have is a big repair bill...

I called the police and the response was "shit, that's the third time in an hour" I got out the car to investigate but about 30 14~18yr olds just stood in defiance. It's time's like this I just hate poor parenting!

It's times like that when you need a RMCC! (Roof Mounted Chav Cannon).

ditto, ban them. Its a bloody explosive... to much potential for mischief.

I have a 17 year old collie who is totally oblivious to fireworks, always has been and up to two years ago had a fox terrier who couldn't wait to get out and bark at them although she was terrified of thunder (?). My brother in law has to have his dog Herbie (alsatian x boxer), who is enormous but very friendly, sedated till they go away. I don't think that the type of fireworks that are available nowadays should be sold to the people that think they need them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/978499.stm

what a miserable bunch of gits!

i voted that they should be on sale to everyone.

most fireworks are wimpy things that arer hardly worth the money. But used correctly, like anything, they are fun.

I let them off at home as well as seeing shows.

If you seek to push the safety angle then the same nanny state wont let you drive your 101 db kit car.

just 4 quids worth of sweets left 15 kids happy leaving my house on haloween.

lighten up people

atb
steve

[Edited on 5/11/04 by stephen_gusterson]

I agree that they are a pain in the arse (now), and one of my kids (22 months) was a bit upset, but how many people on here (blokes one and all, but you can correct me if I'm wrong) as a teenager/youth didn't like playing with fire/swinging on ropes over huge drops/wishing we had a firework to throw about/wanted to own a socially irresponsible sports car and generally like doing things that annoyed the elder generation?

I would like to know what you have done to your dog to make it frightened of loud bangs? We used to take the wife's dog with us to firework displays and none of the cats that I've had have ever been bothered by fireworks.

Steve,

Them penny chews go a long way.

to those with dogs,i gave mine some "serene-um",they are herbal and it certanly made a difference last night,it was like beirut round here

I tend to work anti-social hours, weekdays starting at 3:00 am finish around mid day, except for fridays when ( with a few hours kip at lunch time) I work through till about 2:00am and saturday's when I work 6:00pm till about 3:00 or 4:00 am. Around rushden the fireworks that are generally being set off (by the general public) are very little different from those that are being set off by the public displays (height/effect size/noise yield) and if you just stand outside between about 7 and 9 pm and listen the only way off easily describing the sound that you hear is that it must be very similar to that which the combat veterans of the first & second world wars must have heard in the way of artilliary barage shortly before a major offencive began. For those that are stilll alive from those conflicts , to hear that ammount of noise must be a bit unsettling, let alone how it must be for pets. But the ones that really P*SS me of are the nice individuals that seem to think that it is perfectly acceptable to carry on setting the damn things off at 4:00am as per last Saturday/Sunday(30th/31st October)

they should stay free to the public but as like most things you get a few idots who ruin it 4 everyone

p.s. if u look hard enough on the world wide wait, i am sure u can find instructions 2 make your own

[Edited on 6/11/2004 by I love speed :-P]

It's now an offence to set fireworks off between 11.00pm and 07.00am except on bonfire night when you can set them off till midnight.
http://www.newham.gov.uk/content/News/new-fireworks-law-will-help-to-improve-safety-rp191004.jsp
http://www.dti.gov.uk/fireworks/fire_you/new_leg.htm
This is the new regulations concerning them and the second site gives the penaltiies available.

[Edited on 6/11/04 by Peteff]

it is also an offence to mug,rob,steal cars,burgle and 1million other things,try ringing plod tho,allways too busy

My brother-in-law is a community plod and he recon's they are really on it this year around here - all leave cancelled and all out on patrol. Must say last nights there were loads around us, but it all went very quiet just b4 11pm and stayed that way - seemed to work.

I still think they should ban the lot - and by the way - did anybody else think the options on the poll made no sense????

so I just posted without voting

I didnt understand the poll, but think they should be banned, youve only got to see how many people get seriously hurt each year, apart from all the greef it causes as already posted.

did anyone one this forum let off a loud one ( a firework that is, not a fart...) after midnight last night? Cos thats the main thing that pisses me off. I never heard any in bed last night though, so maybe they are good round here (first year at new address).

and yeah, the poll is mad. 1 and 3 are the same, number 2 it doesnt say who 'they' are! And theres no option for an outright ban.

[Edited on 6/11/04 by JoelP]

Options 1 & 3 are the same?

Being a miserable git I'd vote against the bloody things. Little feckers around here have been firing rocket into parked cars, my old man has spent ages trying to tcut the burn marks out of his paintwork.

Wouldn't be so bad if it was just Nov 5th, but seems to start at the end of October and goes on sporadicaly for weeks with the fireworks the chavs have stashed away.

I reckon a miniscule percentage of the population actualy understand the significance of the celebration anyway. For most people it just a chance for their pyromaniac side to take over for a night.

Ban them totally

bonfire night is a pointless celebration anyway

i cant understand why they are still legal if so many people agree that they should be banned. i might even write a letter about it. On second thoughts, i cant be arsed...

ban sale to the public. organised displays are worth seeing, (the ones that have plenty of funding behind them, not local pubs) but normal cheapy crappy fireworks are aimed seemingly at hooligans, rockets and banging stuff. theres nothing to see, nothing to appreciate, just raw power that in the wrong hands (their target market i'm sure) are dangerous.

i like a good starburst mortar, but even roman candles are pathetic these days!

god, i'm starting to sound like an old man. I'll leave it at that and go cower in the corner with the cat
tom

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Originally posted by gazza285
I agree that they are a pain in the arse (now), and one of my kids (22 months) was a bit upset, but how many people on here (blokes one and all, but you can correct me if I'm wrong) as a teenager/youth didn't like playing with fire/swinging on ropes over huge drops/wishing we had a firework to throw about/wanted to own a socially irresponsible sports car and generally like doing things that annoyed the elder generation?

I would like to know what you have done to your dog to make it frightened of loud bangs? We used to take the wife's dog with us to firework displays and none of the cats that I've had have ever been bothered by fireworks.

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Can you imagine if we'd never had Bonfire night?

And somebody gets up in parliament and says

"I know we've got a yob problem, but let's arm them with high explosives for one month every year"

Can you imagine the uproar?

Organised displays only.

Cheers

Chris

(Oh and I'd outlaw the demanding sweets with menaces that happens on Halloween)

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Originally posted by chrisg
(Oh and I'd outlaw the demanding sweets with menaces that happens on Halloween)

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'trick or treat'

'heres a trick.'

*bucket of icy water, exit stage left*

job done.

real clever.

then all you have to do is wait for the hail of eggs, stones at windows, keyed paintwork etc etc etc.

it just ain't worth opening the door. perhaps you've had different experiences though, as not many people live in such close proximity to one of the roughest council estates in england, whilst having a good enough upbringing not to join in the "fun".

burn all the damned chavs, thats what i say. i'd happily take on assylum seekers if we could send one of the chavs back to where they fled from

tom
officialy sick of cleaning eggy crap up!

we must live in a nice place cus we never have anything like that however some 1 did nick or pumpkin

we live 75 meters from the road so noone can see our house, therefore we never get any of that shite.

Adam

you got your pumpkin nicked? bloody hell, we seem to get everything nicked. i won't park the indy at home garaged or not as i know it would not last the night.

our house used to be in a nice area when my parents moved in. however, then they built the estates.................................doh!
about 2 minutes walk from our house, they built a complex/assylum for drug addicts. the police know about the crime wave that eminates from it as darkness falls, and want it shut down. now they're starting putting assylum seekers in there

as its a victorian doctors house, in a mining village, (not far from the national mining museum) theres no room for a substancial garage, it'll stay garaged the other side of dewsbury until i build my steel fort.

see if they can get into that. ha ha
tom

well the best bit is the night b4 they nicked some screen wash (was blue in a labless containor) which they thought was meths

however they never nick anything else

best one we've had was a kid who kept nicking our milk one or two pints a day. blamed it on the milkman at first, but then got the cctv going. same kid each day, arrived 5 mins after the milkman had left.

the police werent interested, but did say "if you see him riding down the road, give him a quick nudge, just make sure he does'nt get a look at your plates"
the youth of today just don't seem to be afraid of getting caught, cos after all, what's anyone going to do to them. you cant touch em cos it'll b you that goes down!

grrrr
right i'm done now, no more
tom

my g/f was gutted that no kids came round.she had sweets and al that! round here, they have the parents going out with them, and no mischief at all!

we just get nice little under 12's knockling on our doors for sweets on halloween. What you should really be bitching about is the 'devil worship' aspect of halloween, not the fact you have to cought up a few quids sweets.

I bought bangers (when you could, before they were banned) and the worse thing we did with them was to blow up cow shyte.

I was round a mates house on 6th, he had a house warming combined with a fireworks night. Hes a rivch git with a 500k plus quid house near ascot.

He let of several 100 quids worth of fireworks in the garden for the 80+ guests.

This could not have happened if they had a blanket ban.


the 'miserable old git' but perhaps correct view is that if people brought up their friggin kids right, perhaps even with the luxury of two stable parents, then they wouldn do stuff with fireworks.

Misuse of Fireworks may be a symptom of a degrading society.

come the revolution.... actually, if I took enogth rockets to bits it could start one


atb

steve

i think the only two issues that need addressing are misuse by delinquants, and use after hours, be that 11 or 12. if they made late night use a specific offence under the next public order act, it would get enough publicity that maybe people would remember, like driving on the phone now gets remembered.

as for kids who throw them at cars, and other equally daft things, the courts need to go medEval on their collective ass. same for dropping bricks off bridges, same for sabotaging railway lines. once these twats start getting 3 years MIN in a young offenders holiday camp, their comrades might start to remember that these actions are not wise.

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Originally posted by JoelP
remember, like driving on the phone now gets remembered.

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i think the only two issues that need addressing are misuse by delinquants, and use after hours, be that 11 or 12. if they made late night use a specific offence under the next public order act, it would get enough publicity that maybe people would remember, like driving on the phone now gets remembered.

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Fireworks?

Well, I know where all the local benefit money goes this time of year. Ban them and allow organised/licensed events only. At least that way the locals can spend their benefit money on drink, drugs or a new louder stereo.

We called out the council late one night (day of a big football match) after being told to ring back later 3 times (after 11pm by this point). They came round, listened, said oh yes that is loud and then told us they there are certain addresses they wouldn't go and knock on because they know who lives there and they'd send a letter a week later. fat lot of good that did.

Thankfully this year the fireworks haven't been as bad as previous years..

Ned.

Personally, I think fireworks should be left alone and the sale of dogs should be strictly controlled. I don't see why people should change their behaviour because some people choose to own dogs. If you choose to own a dog, then it's your responsibility to "protect" it from the majority of people who don't want a dog, and shouldn't have to change their behaviour to suit the selfish minority

In my experience, I've yet to stand in a pile of firework shite....

Hit on the bonnet by a f**k off great rocket with a plastic nosecone falling out the sky onto it. We dog owners with a social conscience clean up after our dogs and as far as I know my dog never damaged anyones car or took anyones hand off.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3991015.stm

Fair enough

I'm not for a second saying that "every" dog shits outside my house ready for my kids to stand in and squidge into my carpet (although recently it seems like it) what I AM saying is that someone who chooses to have a dog has to think of the world as it stands. It's pointless buying a dog and expecting the world to change and peoples rights or traditions to be withdrawn because your dog might be a bit nervous ?!?

Its within anyones rights to own a dog, but it's also anyones right to buy fireworks, it's utterly selfish to expect people to change their lives because they have made a choice to own a dog.

Dunno about anywhere else, but the "responsible dog owners" around here are vastly outnumbered by the twats who've bought a dog and have no interest in either cleaning up after them or shutting them up.

I'm neither a dog owner nor a fireworks fan, although I've been both in the past.

As for a firework blowing your hand off and dogs being "safe" my son plays with neither, but he's at far more risk of permanent blindness due to dog faeces rather than being burned by a firework

The statistics show over 100 people per year are permanently blinded by the "Toxicara" parasite passed by dog shite, most of them children. That's a danger 365 days a year rather than the few days per year that fireworks are a problem.

Also it seems that according to stats;
28% Never clean up after their dogs
72% Clean up after their dog/s whilst in the vicinity of other people
77% Turn a blind eye when their not being watched by others

I know which I'd rather live without ;(

Live and let live, but don't try to change my rights because YOU have made a decision to own a small nervous animal quite unsuited for town life

BTW This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, it's just one of my pet subjects I might not agree with you but I'll defend to the death your right to say it

[Edited on 8/11/04 by UncleFista]

Here in sunny Erith, some of the lesser brained inhabitants have found that if you put some of the ground launched morters in a phone box and let them off----- it blows out the glass and BENDS the doors out of shape !
God knows what sort of potential they've got.
Surely, with todays terrorist threat, we really don't need to be making this stuff so available !

you dont need fireworks to cause a problem.

a year or so, i saw a film called october sky. its about a guy called homer hickham, who in the 50's with a group of friends, had rocketry as a hobby. Homer went on to work for nasa, and was a trainer on the shuttle program.

The film was based on his book, rocket boys.

In the book it describes three types of propellant that can be used in a home built rocket. all ingredients are easy to find.

The end result was a rocket that went to 30,000 feet.

the difference between a rocket and a missile is that a rocket goes up, and a missile is pointed at things.

draw your own conclusions.

atb

steve