election looming,who are you going to vote for?
I was having a discussion/argument the other day, about whether not voting is a waste or not. I am kinda of the opinion that for me to vote,
the party would have to earn it. i.e. to say something that interests me or i agree with strongly enough to vote for said party. At the moment no-one
has really said anything that interests me, no-one has earned my vote. Thus, as it stands I probably won't vote.
Anyone have similar opinions, or am I throwing away everything our forefathers fought for?
And if I were to vote, I'd probably vote non-con, and non-labour...
cheers
Mark
[Edited on 6/4/05 by 200mph]
I believe not voting is a vote in itself. If you don't want any of them because they aren't in your opinion worthy then not voting is stating that opinion.
also by not voting means you can not complain when some muppetts get in and screw the country up
so no one at all votes ???
Bart Simpson gets my vote maybe Homer but kids always make more sense!!!
I want a "none of the above" option on my voting form!
David
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I want a "none of the above" option on my voting form!
David
we need a "I aint got a bloody clue" option.
Labour - not a chance in hell
Conservative - get serious!
Liberal - possibly but they have some really BAD ideas
tell you 3 things that would swing it for me
1, stop speed cameras in innappropriate places
2, sort out immigration
3, stop the ridiculous and pointless ID card bill
theres probably a few others but they would start the ball rolling
What gets me is:
Everyone knows they're all lying.
They know they're lying.
But they still continue to lie.
No wonder that people aren't motivated enough to go and vote.
DJ
Not voting doesn't really express the opinion that you don't want any of the candidates in, because most people who don't vote do it
because they just feel that their 1 vote won't make any difference. The only way to express dissatisfaction with the choice is to
'spoil' you ballot paper. At least then your non-vote will be counted and the number of people who did the same recorded.
Cheers,
Matt.
Im too young to vote
But I have voted for who I would vote for
Adam
quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
Im too young to vote
Adam
Id like to see a hung parliament.
ALL OF THEM
quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
Not voting doesn't really express the opinion that you don't want any of the candidates in, because most people who don't vote do it because they just feel that their 1 vote won't make any difference. The only way to express dissatisfaction with the choice is to 'spoil' you ballot paper. At least then your non-vote will be counted and the number of people who did the same recorded.
Cheers,
Matt.
No one remember what happened last time they were in then?! i'm wondering about a strategic vote! in my area labour is in a huge minority, but it's close betwen conservatives and lib dems.
prob is i think the conservative 'fear' campaign is the worst ever, i haven't heard a single one of their policies, just them trying to
slag off labour continually, i'm not convinced they could do any better. what a nonsense.
labour are on the right lines with their campaigns, but a vote for them in my area is a waste as they have no hope of getting the seat.
this leaves the lib dems who won't get into no.10 but might get a few more seats and have a sensiblish campaign ie we're staying out of the
labour/consrevative slanging match and we're against the war in iraq.
now, i don't think the conservatives are doing a bad job in my area, but do i vote for my area for the minor council changes that I prob
won't notice or the government level choices that might affect the main laws/bills passed by the no of seats the parties have?
or do i just spoil the ballot paper and abstain?!
yours strategically undecided,
Ned.
When I see that 5 people have voted for labour that's when i realise we're not going to make it as a race
Would be cool if only 5 people voted for them in the real election though 
i dont have a clue myself - i have no confidence in any of their abilities. what a poor choice we have.
do any of them plan to build more prisons? that would win my vote atm.
The libs seam the best because there leader doesn't seam like a polition. (maby torys if they put boris in charge)
Personally all people with political ambition should be instantly band from being a politition, a bit like a knight hood.
I'm gonna vote for someone who wont ruin my life, allow me to beat up burgulers, spend my car tax on making roads better, ban speed camera's
except for outside schools, stop illigal imigration, increase the military budget thus improving my job and somewho who makes it a jailable offence
for their dog s**ting in public without cleaning it up.
Somehow I don't think any of them fit in this....... Might have to do the spoiling thing.
Cheers
Chris
[Edited on 6/4/05 by flyingkiwi]
What i find is really strange about the whole system is that we are supposed to vote for someone who will represent us in Parliament, and represent
the local needs. But instead we are actually voting for a government for the whole country, which is not neccessarily whats best for us locally.
Another thing that i find strange is that i don't know anyone who is openly a Labour voter, yet, they have won the last two elections.
At the end of the day we should probably run a poll to see if any of us actually believes there will be any difference to our lives who ever gets in.
Ned makes the comment asking us if we remember what happened last time un the Conservatives, do we know that Labour would have handled those
situations any differently had they been in then. Likewise would the Conservatives handle todays situations any better.
Under the last conservative riegn the country changed dramatically. More women went out to work, practically every household had two cars, many more
people owned their own houses. But, was this due to the Tory policies, or just life moving on. Similarly, we had 3 million un-employed, the first ever
credit card enspired borrowing problems, leading to massive economic problems. Was this caused by the government or just the way the world
develops?
I think we give them too much credit for the things that shape the country and the way we live. After all the party that gets in only bases its
decisions on the advice given by civil servants, and they don't change when the government changes.
Basically i think the face might change at Number 10, but, my life is only going to get harder day by day by the same amount no matter who gets
in.
Interesting point made earlier was that about speed cameras. Apparently back in the mid nineties the Canadian government won by a landslide with a
policy of withdrawing all speed cameras.
quote:
Originally posted by dozracing
Apparently back in the mid nineties the Canadian government won by a landslide with a policy of withdrawing all speed cameras.
I believe that Labour will do the best job for me and my country but i think that the media will ultimately decide who wins this election. Take foxhunting for example. Think back to the uproar, column inches and general coverage that was dedicated to this issue. When in reality the only thing that changed was that a fox was shot as soon as it was caught and not ripped to bits. The Tories seem full of hate and bitter about something; and the Lib Dem's don't look like they could run a bath, let alone the country.
an indication of what a bunch of to$$ers the conservatives are :
Howard recons that before sending people who break asbos to prison, other sanctions can be made.
1. take their benefit away. yeah, right. even more incentive to rob and burgle.
2. take away their driving licenses. Like they would care.
how out of touch can you be?
Ive always voted labor since the big mistake of voting maggie in 1979.
Labour are not great, but could you seriously vote that upper middle class bunch of self serving twats that form the current conservatives in?
Lib dems wouldnt be able to deal with the shock of being elected, let alone have policies!
It was virtually admitted that the conservatives would slash public spending in real terms. they likely all have heath insurance. do you?
In the 25 years ive been paying a mortgage, its gone to 15% twice under the conservatives. Think hard on that one. What ever you are paying now would
at least double if rates when that high.
And what of the big 'labour isnt working' campaing maggie did in '79? just over a million were unemployed. when she was at her worst,
it was 3m plus. the conservatives were so arrogant they couldnt even see the stupidity of the poll tax.
I think blairs biggest problem is how pissed off the fox hunters and anti war lot are. perhaps the fox lot are most country people, who tend to vote
conservative.
I think not voting is daft. there may be a crap choice, but not voting at all gives you no right to bitch or mither at all over the next 4-5 years.
Yeah, speed cams are crap, and so is the nanny state nature of labour. But I cant see me trusting my mortgage or job to any other party. i cant pay
fines if im not working
atb
steve
[Edited on 6/4/05 by stephen_gusterson]
quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
Ive always voted labor since the big mistake of voting maggie in 1979.
Labour are not great, but could you seriously vote that upper middle class bunch of self serving twats that form the current conservatives in?
Found this and thought of you (all)
Conservatives - We want to make driving less of a misery
Shadow Transport Secretary Damian Green today said the Conservative Party wanted to "make driving less of a misery", as he unveiled "a
series of common sense practical measures" to enhance road safety.
He said: "We think that responsible drivers have been badly hit by this Government and we want to make driving less of a misery. What we are
proposing today is a series of common sense practical measures which will get the Government off the back of the sensible driver and restore
confidence in the way we enforce the speed limit."
Let us remember this "car hating" government on polling day.
Ian
Died in the wool right wing Tory.
quote:
Originally posted by Russ-Turner
and the Lib Dem's don't look like they could run a bath, let alone the country.
economic stability or speed cams. whats the most important?
and what flesh did the conservatives put on the bones of that one then?
If labour hadnt bought in speed cams, we would have had the conservatives saying they were gonna cut down on the yob culture of speeding youths and
rising car accidents under labour.
wasnt it the car loving conservatives that bought in the policy of increasing fuel prices by 5% a year?
get real!!!!
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by robinbastd
Found this and thought of you (all)
Conservatives - We want to make driving less of a misery
Shadow Transport Secretary Damian Green today said the Conservative Party wanted to "make driving less of a misery", as he unveiled "a series of common sense practical measures" to enhance road safety.
He said: "We think that responsible drivers have been badly hit by this Government and we want to make driving less of a misery. What we are proposing today is a series of common sense practical measures which will get the Government off the back of the sensible driver and restore confidence in the way we enforce the speed limit."
Let us remember this "car hating" government on polling day.
Ian
Died in the wool right wing Tory.
To be perfectly honest, I don't care which bunch of self-serving wastes-of-space get in - as long as they have a small majority, and have to work
for their policies. Most of the recent governments from either side have had large majorities that could vote in whatever bit of vote-grabbing
nonsense they chose to support.
Me - I'd vote 'Yes' to proportional representation tomorrow, if it wasn't for the fact that whatever party gets into power under
the current system would never bring in PR, knowing that it may put them out of power at the next election. Labour would never do it, that's for
certain.
David
P.S. I know that PR has its own problems, but at least the outcome wouldn't be so skewed.
Can anyone explain, why when the polls say the Tories and Labour are neck and neck why its still possible that Labour can win by a landslide.
Its obviously something to do with actual numbers of seats rather than total numbers of votes, but, it seems from memory that each government has a
"seat" advantage even with very close opinion poll voting.
Was this why John Major won even though he was considerably down in the opinion polls running up to the election?
I also think the argument over voting for someone rather than no one is rather strange way of behaving. If you don't want any of them for
whatever reason surely you don't vote, and by this you reflect your opinion and still have the right to moan.
Its like saying you have a choice of mass murders to babysit for you, and you have to choose one of them, you don't have to choose you can opt
out.
The classis reason to do jus this is that with very poor turnouts the political parties start to get the idea that people are dis-illusioned with
politics and they better start getting their acts together or its only going to get worse. Why can't the parties understand that we hate their
two facedness, their self serving ideas and the way they enforce rules on us without canvassing our opinion.
How many laws have this government brought in that have not been done democratically by canvassing opinion in elections. Tons.
Still i reckon they have lost 6000 votes in the midlands. The papers are full of financial centre worries over another Labour election win this
morning, for everything that happened under the last Tory government the city hasn't gained lost any faith in the Tories and are still sceptical
of Labour.
According then to this poll, we'll have a Tory governement on May 6th and a Kent MP as Prime Minister, would be very good for my area.
Kind regards,
Darren
we vote in elections so that the govt can make decisions for us.
if they threw a public vote everytime some important issue came up, you would get reactive sun reader, london weekend tv cilla black pleb attitudes to
running the country.
this way, we get to screw things up just the once.
do you really think not voting would change anything? if there was a single vote going, and the party in power knew they were gonna get it, they
wouldnt change the system.
in your mass killer example, the 'do nothing' option would allow your kid to be on its own for a few hrs, not in the care of a mass
killer.
there is no do nothing option in voting, as a party WILL win. there is no 'idle state'.
atb
steve
[Edited on 11/4/05 by stephen_gusterson]
I am voting for Luigi Viento
It was suggested that Sharon Osbourne may stand for election where I live, in which case she will get my vote - mainly to show that I think the others
need to do something more positive.
May go for the spoiled paper option as it doesn't have a "non of the above" box.
I would say that Bliar fits the middle class twat description, except that with the income his family have he is probably an upper class twat/village
idiot (delete as applicable/necessary).
[Edited on 11/4/05 by andyps]