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Amazing. Can any one explain what kitcars problem with the other mag really is, or where it comes from. Seems it could be a very interesting story.

Cheers

Fred WB

basically the two editors of the mags hate each other (which is an understatement).

Andy - delete the orginal posting and then post another? You're not linked to this thread in any way are you? i.e. you're not Den are you?

The main reason I buy Kitcar is for the amazing bitch fight between the two. I have been following this story for some time and it just gets better and better, all entertaining stuff.

I used to enjoy both these mags but once all this immature sh1te started I stopped buying them

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Originally posted by _Aero_
Andy - delete the orginal posting and then post another? You're not linked to this thread in any way are you? i.e. you're not Den are you?

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Have to agree with Dave , used to buy both at times but now don't bother. Wonder how many sales they have lost because of the snipping?

If any of you have done business with Mr.Filby of Which *it magazine, then you will know what the problem is about.

I had the unfortunate experience of deailing with him some 18 years ago, and a stand at the Sandown Show.

He gave my prime pre paid front door spot to an advertiser who turned up on the spur of the moment, and for a laugh on his part, put my stand directly opposite the door to the 'Ladies'. He thought it was funny. Sicko.

BUT!!! Turned out to be a blessing. While the girlies were in there doing whatever it is they do, the hubbies/boyfiends hanging about had my stand to look at! I got 18months work and a couple of long term contracts.

So, all of you show exhibitors, think about location!!

The rest is due to the fact that a few of the companies advertising in Which *it are owned by Filby. Some others he has a vested interest in. His spindly fingers and weasel nose reach far in the industry.

Also, to get a good write up, a constructor is recommended to donate a FULL, all inclusive kit to Mr. Filby's magazine for a 'build up write up'. Filby then goes on to sell it and get the profit. 100%!!

Still, it's cheap advertising when all is said and done. Even if the worst pieces of supposed engineering are written up as 'fantastic'.

Mr. Filby is a person to be avoided, if at all possible, at all cost.

Within two days of his shows closing, the company running the particular show is dissolved. If you try any legal method to get recompense or fair treatment, there is no company to take action against! He takes your money and runs. Well, actually walks away laughing and sneering.

Honesty and integrity. Names from a tv show aren't they? Scruples, money from some far eastern country. Or so Filby would have you think.

[Edited on 24/10/05 by Syd Bridge]

Filby, bless him.
His "good friend vs hated enemy" ratio is getting seriously messed up.
Not quite Bill Gates is he!!!!!!!!

Well if we ALL stop buying his magazine then it will hit him where it hurts. Let's just hope that everyone on all forums does the same.

No matter what the history between the two editors, altering a paying customer's advert is unprofessional and in my opinion inexcusable. He's shot himself in the foot by doing it because he's ended up losing himself customers.

Pete

Jusy bought the latest non Filby mag and was amazed to see a review of Filbys Cobra replica by an "independant" BMW Mag Journo. They still couldnt resist having a dig. I for one am sick and tired of thje constant sniping and if anything have more sympathy with Filby just becuase Den has taken this to such an a ludicrous level. I wont be buying either magazine any more, i buy magazines to be informed not to be bombarded by by childish garbage that, in my opinion, wastes valuable page space that could be dedicated to build or tech articles. And if Filby really is as dodgy as Den reckons surely he will get his come uppance eventually anyway. Den needs to grow up!

Rant Over

Mac

PS i know the typing/spelling is crap but am typing with a broken wrist...thats how much this nonsence has irritated me!!!

Rant really over now

what a strange way to behave why don't Peter Filby and Den Tanner just arrange a quick bare knuckle straightener and be done with it By the sounds of it they could make a sack load of cash by selling tickets Stoneleigh would make a good venue...

As for Den Tanner's responses to that guys emails I can't quite believe what I've read

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Originally posted by nick205
what a strange way to behave why don't Peter Filby and Den Tanner just arrange a quick bare knuckle straightener and be done with it

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Wasn't he in Vegas?

Give them a length of 4x2 each, then they can really slug it out, once one of them has has been offed, no more argueing, problem solved!!!!!!!!!!!

Think the story started out when Tenner owned a kit car company (Pilgrim?). A wheel fell off a customers car for some reason and Filby wrote a lot of nasty words about how unsafe and badly designed the car was. Tanner sued for libel and won, but Filby kept on saying the car was dangerous despite the courts verdict.

It's continued escalating over the years, and Tanner bought KitCar - possibly even to carry on the grudge - I have no idea.

Since then Filby has bought into a number of kitcar companies and Which Kit gives them all glowing reviews and lots of ad space without letting on he's a part owner/investor (the BMW Cobra, the Razer(?) 7 alike and the BugRat buggy thing) journalistically unethical at the least IMO.

So bottom line seems to be Filby is a touch dodgy, and Tanner can't let go of a grudge.

I'd also heard they kicked off at one of the shows. Mad.

I always bought both mags every month until I got sick of the pair of them about a year ago.

Stopped buying either, and now get PPC in preference. Might give Total Kit Car a go if I see a copy somewhere.

We really do not need this kind of thing going on in a relatively small industry that has struggled long and hard to raise its professional standards. IMHO of course.

Mike

Well I for one would pay to watch them slug it out!!

I have a pathalogical hatred of ar$eh0les who conduct their business affairs in an underhand manner.

Unfortunately however the old saying that $h1t floats to the top seems to apply more and more. Especially in the UK.

As for Kit Car and the way they act in shuch a childish, pathetic way beggars belief.

I am amazed that any journalist with a modicom of professional pride would want to associate themselves with such a bunch of amateurs.

Hopefully this latest episode and the publicity it is getting on the various forums will act as a last ditch wake up call to both of these magazines to get their act together. However I wouldn't suggest anyone holds their breath!!!

What is needed is for some of the major advertisers, as well as all of us, to boycott the magazines until they cater to the kit car fraternity they claim to represent, rather than pursue their petty personal squabbles.

Children will play...

[Edited on 24/10/05 by _Aero_]

If we organised a pay-per-view slug match then maybe we could raise enough funds to start our own impartial mag!
Then again, the amout of times that this forum has had a dig at Catering vans for their snobbery and Robinhoods for being crap kits, would we be any better?????

I agree with all written above. (Including the head-to head tanner vs filby slugfest)
Please keep me posted when the event is set up!!

Seriously though, It is a real shame that for an industry and culture that Kitcars are to us and lots of potential buyers, it is a real shame that we have to put up with two magazines that show total disregard for the people buying them.
I agree boycott them and hope we get some action.
Do we need a magazine anyway? this forum and others like it give me enough to go on.

I am sending my copy of the Tanner magazine back to them in protest. I know it won't make the slightest bit of difference, but he might just wake up and smell the coffee.
One thing's for sure - I don't need to pay 4 quid to read the ramblings of this man.

Joking aside, if they really do hate each other that much, put them in a ring at Stoneleigh. Get ABA officials, a doctor, a big crowd (guranteed) and donate all the proceeds to the winners charity.

Then at least someone can benefit from their constant back biting. Both as bad as each other it seems.

The new trend seems to be, flick through the two rags in WH Smiths, then buy PPC.

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Joking aside, if they really do hate each other that much, put them in a ring at Stoneleigh. Get ABA officials, a doctor, a big crowd (guranteed) and donate all the proceeds to the winners charity.

Then at least someone can benefit from their constant back biting. Both as bad as each other it seems.

The new trend seems to be, flick through the two rags in WH Smiths, then buy PPC.

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If everyone was to stop buying thier magazines they might get the message that we have had enough! Boycott them both.

No doubt they both claim to be helping/promoting the 'kitcar industry' , when they are both damaging it because they're too selfish to put put they're private issues aside , and operate in a professional manner.

Everyone in the kitcar world loses........

There's bugger all interesting copy in either mag, normally a quick free scan in WH Smiths is enough

[Edited on 27/10/05 by Surrey Dave]

i said not long ago and ill say it again now, and probably when someone else brings it up in the future because the next issue will be exactly the same shite as last time-
i stopped buying both magazines ages ago, and then when i bought last months issue and saw it was still going on but made half the mag unreadable i was dissapointed to say the least. making half a magazine unreadable when a third of it is allready filled with adverts doesnt leave much.
as for the recent hapenings with the lambo ad it doesnt suprise me and certailny disgusts me that they think it acceptable behaviour and then his behaviour with the "customer" when he complained was inexcusable.


Russ.

[Edited on 27/10/05 by suparuss]

i dont think anything more can be said that hasnt already. What is interesting is that Kitcar published an email address in the last issue that offered a free copy of the 'other rags' comments etc. Whilst i dont endorse anyone to fuel such a childish conquest i for one will be using that address to vent my utter disbelief at what is going on. Perhaps others may feel the same urge.

I feel that i have just bought my last copy of either rag. Iam disgusted that two individuals can bring such disrepute to our beloved industry. It is afterall for most of us an enjoyable and worthwhile hobby, to others a hard earned living, both of which can ill afford such childishness. Lets just hope that the demise of both 'rags' is eminent and that the employees do not suffer as a consequence.

Jeez, just read up on all this, from various points of view.

It's easy to be critical, but I have to say I wouldn't want to be mixed up in it all, what a mess.

Just shows what happens when conflicts of interest and lawyers get involved.

The only solution would be for both Tanner and Filby to resign their posts, this may give the mags some credibility back.

Reading some of the cuttings of articles in Which Kit on the Pilgrim Sumo "problems" is truly shocking.......not because of the problems but because it is so blatantly just having a poke at Tanner!!!

All kits have problems, yes a front wheel falling off is a major issue and (if it wasn;t something that I had done wrong!) I would be round to see my "kit" supplier like a shot, using simple anglo saxon proven methods to explain the situation and "evaluate" a solution.

deciding to tell various magazines and then drag people through courts is just plain stupid. People who do this do not deserve to own kit cars. Notice the "mr Howell" who's suspension failed bought the car fully built. Did he check it over?? Does he know anything about cars?? I don't know, but would like to find out.

I feel no sympathy for Filby in this, and evidently mr Tanner is not whiter than white either, it's just a sorry state of affairs that the kit industry needs to be rid of.

AS WAS SAID -

*****DO NOT BUY WHICH KIT OR KIT CAR MAGS**************

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Originally posted by DarrenW : 24-1-05
Im almost at the point of not bothering with the kit mags now. They are cheap though seeing as my mother buys them for my father who passes it onto me within a few days

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Originally posted by DarrenW
I feel that i have just bought my last copy of either rag.

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