right im building a new bottom end,this was the plan anyway but i wasnt going to do it for a while,i was going to turbo the vulcan engine dropping the
cr so it could take some boost,but after that balls up i really dont think turboing it now is a good idea,its a fine line turboing a engine with cast
pistons in,and i dont think it will be worth it now it may be damaged,
so i have a 202 block witch im getting rebored,and i have just payed for some new cossie pistons and rods,
has anyone done this convershon,
i know i need to fit a cossie oil pump as the pinto one dont have a spray bar to spray the bottom of the pistons,
can any one give me any pointers..
mate if your going to do that get a 205 block, especially if you intend to turbo it, u2u mercd1 he has done a pinto with cossie bottom end.
don't bother buying a cossie crank just use the pinto one and get more dowels put in the flywheel end.
[Edited on 22/6/09 by omega0684]
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Originally posted by omega0684
mate if your going to do that get a 205 block, especially if you intend to turbo it, u2u mercd1 he has done a pinto with cossie bottom end.
don't bother buying a cossie crank just use the pinto one and get more dowels put in the flywheel end.
[Edited on 22/6/09 by omega0684]
As above use a 205 block for starters.
How much power do you want? there may be much cheaper ways of doing it 
202 is even heavier than 205
it's a low CR ford transit block so I guess it's ok for a turbo installation.
I can't help thinking that there's a better/lighter/cheaper way of achieving more power than building a pinto from scratch and then adding
the turbo.....
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Originally posted by mookaloid
I can't help thinking that there's a better/lighter/cheaper way of achieving more power than building a pinto from scratch and then adding the turbo.....
ok,
well im using the 202 block coz i have one,
and using the big valve head off of the vulcan,
i know its a little bit heavier bit it ant by much only a cupple of kgs,in a car that waighs 560kg it ant gona make any diffrance,
wouldnt you say,
also il be running alot more power than the vulcan so the little extra waight isnt going to matter
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Originally posted by mookaloid
202 is even heavier than 205
it's a low CR ford transit block so I guess it's ok for a turbo installation.
I can't help thinking that there's a better/lighter/cheaper way of achieving more power than building a pinto from scratch and then adding the turbo.....
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Originally posted by flak monkey
quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
I can't help thinking that there's a better/lighter/cheaper way of achieving more power than building a pinto from scratch and then adding the turbo.....
Yep, its called a NA Duratec I4
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Originally posted by mookaloid
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Originally posted by flak monkey
quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
I can't help thinking that there's a better/lighter/cheaper way of achieving more power than building a pinto from scratch and then adding the turbo.....
Yep, its called a NA Duratec I4
You got that right
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Originally posted by Andy D
Time to give my Pinto v Dutatec vid an airing... He he
There's no way it would be that much faster. Once you are into 200+bhp pinto territory the money will get you a
home brew supercharged duratec install and you'll see over 300bhp. Believe me, he was trying! The black car was a standard duratec on throttle bodies, my Pinto powered car has very similar power.
Dont think the weight comes into the equation over a certain speed, it's probably more about aerodynamics. (Brick like!)
It'll be interesting to see the difference after all my efforts to change the engine then. Had better not be slower! 
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Originally posted by flak monkey
It'll be interesting to see the difference after all my efforts to change the engine then. Had better not be slower!
Nice videos but they don't really add much useful information when there are so many other variables which aren't compensated for (car set-up, tyres, driver skill / knowledge of track etc etc etc etc)....
My pinto suprises an awful lot of people too, there are a lot of misconceptions about them, but they are incredibly good, solid, reliable engines even
when really pushed.
The problem with 16v engines is that they produce all their power and torque right at the top of the rev range, where as the pinto is very torquey
right from 3000rpm upwards.
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Originally posted by BenB
Nice videos but they don't really add much useful information when there are so many other variables which aren't compensated for (car set-up, tyres, driver skill / knowledge of track etc etc etc etc)....
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Originally posted by mookaloid
I can't help thinking that there's a better/lighter/cheaper way of achieving more power than building a pinto from scratch and then adding the turbo.....
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Originally posted by flak monkey
The problem with 16v engines is that they produce all their power and torque right at the top of the rev range, where as the pinto is very torquey right from 3000rpm upwards.
you could get cossie rod's and pistons (if you can find std pistons that will give you the right CR)
or the accralite forged pistons have floating pins and fit strait on the cossie rods and you get a choice of compression heights too:
linky
but they won't deal direct, you have to go through burtons
linky 2
linky 3
but none of these are a cheap option !
(£500 - £600 for 4 pistons new 
)
also remember that cossie rods are 0.060" (1.524mm) longer than pinto ones
and the cossie rods don't have oil spray jets like the pinto ones, so your best bet is to get a cossie 2wd oil pump and pickup pipe (which has
the spray jets)
I got a set of s/h cossie rods from ebay for £60 and luckly they were all ok
Then I got accralite pistons (93mm pinto ones with 41.65mm comp. height)
then paid £80 to have them shortened to be flush with the top of the block an re-balanced (I'm going for ~11:1 CR for a NA build)
<<< see my avitar
then ended up having to buy a new oil pump and pickup pipe because I couldn't find a s/h one (£200 from GGR)
if you can find all the bits cheap enough I'd go for it, but its too easy to end up spending alot of money......
[Edited on 22/6/09 by mcerd1]
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Originally posted by mcerd1
you could get cossie rod's and pistons (if you can find std pistons that will give you the right CR)
or the accralite forged pistons have floating pins and fit strait on the cossie rods and you get a choice of compression heights too: linky
but they won't deal direct, you have to go through burtons
linky 2
linky 3
but none of these are a cheap option !
(£500 - £600 for 4 pistons new
also remember that cossie rods are 0.060" (1.524mm) longer than pinto ones
and the cossie rods don't have oil spray jets like the pinto ones, so your best bet is to get a cossie 2wd oil pump and pickup pipe (which has the spray jets)
I got a set of s/h cossie rods from ebay for £60 and luckly they were all ok
Then I got accralite pistons (93mm pinto ones with 41.65mm comp. height)
then paid £80 to have them shortened to be flush with the top of the block an re-balanced (I'm going for ~11:1 CR for a NA build)
<<< see my avitar
then ended up having to buy a new oil pump and pickup pipe because I couldn't find a s/h one (£200 from GGR)
if you can find all the bits cheap enough I'd go for it, but its too easy to end up spending alot of money......
[Edited on 22/6/09 by mcerd1]
what are you planning to do about the lack of the oil spray jets ?
I went for the easy option and used the cossie 2wd setup, not cheap new, but if you can find a S/H pump to get the special cover plate bit then its
alot cheaper - as most recon / uprated pumps don't come with the plate that feeds the spray bar and thats the expencive bit !
you can see it on this new pump:
Linky
or on my engine:
the 4x4 cossies had a different setup (that I've never had a good look at one)
-Robert
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Originally posted by mcerd1
what are you planning to do about the lack of the oil spray jets ?
I went for the easy option and used the cossie 2wd setup, not cheap new, but if you can find a S/H pump to get the special cover plate bit then its alot cheaper - as most recon / uprated pumps don't come with the plate that feeds the spray bar
you can see it on this new pump: Linky
or on my engine:
the 4x4 cossies had a different setup (that I've never had a good look at one)
-Robert
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Originally posted by jpindy3
hi i managed to get a pump off ebay for 50quid,its a 4x4 one with the spray bar,i moded the pick up today,but it might have a clearnce problem,il take some pics