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What Actually Defines a Duratec Engine... ???
scootz - 22/11/09 at 11:29 PM

Saw THIS and it got me thinking...

The ST170 engine is a Zetec with variable cam control, but is advertised by Ford as being a Duratec engine. Anyone know why this came to be the case?


mcerd1 - 22/11/09 at 11:32 PM

ford marketing, same reson that zetec's now a trim level

the one your interested in is the 'duratec HE'

the ST170 and RS both have modified & re-badged is a zetec E's

[Edited on 22/11/09 by mcerd1]

[Edited on 22/11/09 by mcerd1]


scootz - 22/11/09 at 11:36 PM

Get much done in the garage tonight Robert?


mcerd1 - 22/11/09 at 11:39 PM

not really, but I've got all day tomorrow


matt_claydon - 23/11/09 at 08:16 AM

IIRC the 1.3 KA engine is also badged 'Duratec' and is in fact a tarted up, fuel injected Crossflow!


scootz - 23/11/09 at 08:51 AM

Bit of a bugger if you bought that Westie thinking you were getting a 'real' Duratec... still, you'd probably not be disappointed with the ST170.


Project7 - 23/11/09 at 08:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
IIRC the 1.3 KA engine is also badged 'Duratec' and is in fact a tarted up, fuel injected Crossflow!


I think they dropped the crossflow nearing the end of the mk1 KAs life. The 1.3 Duratec in the KA is a SOHC engine (possibily called ROCAM, not sure on that one).

Ford also call its current V6's Duratecs aswell, keeps remembering all the names simple though!

Edit:

and the Volvo T5 derived engine in the ST is badged Duratec too.

[Edited on 23/11/09 by Project7]


bj928 - 23/11/09 at 09:46 AM

from what i can tell, the basic mondeo 2.0 litre 4 pot duratec, has exhaust on the drivers side if you put it inline, and the zetec exhaust goes down the passenger side when engine fitted inline.


MK9R - 23/11/09 at 09:50 AM

All ford petrol engines are now badged duratecs, even some of the old zetecs were rebadged. Sorry no help

Have been doing a lot of research on duratecs recently due to needing wiring diagrams for LPG conversion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratec_engine

[Edited on 23/11/09 by MK9R]


mcerd1 - 23/11/09 at 12:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Project7
quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
IIRC the 1.3 KA engine is also badged 'Duratec' and is in fact a tarted up, fuel injected Crossflow!


I think they dropped the crossflow nearing the end of the mk1 KAs life. The 1.3 Duratec in the KA is a SOHC engine (possibily called ROCAM, not sure on that one).

yeah, they dropped the 'endura' in favour of the brazilian engines - basically a zetec SE (the small all alloy one) but with a SOHC to make it cheaper

and the 1.6 in sthe sport KA is the same SOHC I think

(the endura was an updated HCS, which is an updated valencia, which was roughly based on a shortened x-flow, wich was an updated kent - I think they got there moneys worth out of that design )


MikeRJ - 23/11/09 at 12:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1

yeah, they dropped the 'endura' in favour of the brazilian engines - basically a zetec SE (the small all alloy one) but with a SOHC to make it cheaper



The SOHC "ROCAM" engine is a Brazilian iron blocked design with a chain driven cam, I don't think it shares much if anything with the Yamaha designed Zetec SE?

There is a very good animation of the ROCAM engine on YouTube.

[Edited on 23/11/09 by MikeRJ]


Breaker - 23/11/09 at 12:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bj928
from what i can tell, the basic mondeo 2.0 litre 4 pot duratec, has exhaust on the drivers side if you put it inline, and the zetec exhaust goes down the passenger side when engine fitted inline.


But then,how do you define the "passenger" side as all of you UK guys have the steering wheel at the wrong side ?


adithorp - 23/11/09 at 02:16 PM

Aren't the duratecs all timing chains and the zetecs cam belts?

adrian


Werner Van Loock - 23/11/09 at 03:33 PM

easy one, ALLOY block!

duratecs (HE) are all alloy blocks and come in 1.8, 2.0 and 2.3 format

all others, 1.6, 1.3 and whatever alloys are Zetec SE and all Iron block 1.8's, 2.0 etc are Zetec E or for the 2.3 the DOHC I4 (like the RS2000)
and then there's the V6 wich is nothing of the above but still all alloy


MikeRJ - 23/11/09 at 03:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Werner Van Loock
easy one, ALLOY block!


Duratec badged 1.3 and 1.6 SOHC is iron blocked...


MK9R - 23/11/09 at 03:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by Werner Van Loock
easy one, ALLOY block!


Duratec badged 1.3 and 1.6 SOHC is iron blocked...


as i said, all ford petrol engines are now branded duratecs, even if made from cheese


iank - 23/11/09 at 05:05 PM

Amusingly (and it's not April AFAIK) PPC this month are reporting that Ford are going to manufacture a "Duratec 110PS" which is actually a 1.6 litre Kent for putting into formula fords and heritage racers.
They are going to re-manufacture the block with some modern techniques to make it 'more durable' whatever that means.


MikeRJ - 23/11/09 at 05:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
as i said, all ford petrol engines are now branded duratecs, even if made from cheese


I don't think any of the V8s are?


MautoK - 23/11/09 at 05:54 PM

I've always been confused by Ford's recent engine names and now I know why!


bj928 - 24/11/09 at 02:10 AM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
as i said, all ford petrol engines are now branded duratecs, even if made from cheese


I don't think any of the V8s are?


you will find there is a v8 duratec ( moddified v6 by yamaha), its the v8 fitted to the volvo xc90 (can't remember where i read this info ), its a mondeo 2.5/3.0 duratec with extra 2 cylinders, also the aston martin v12 is 2 mondeo 3.0 engines put together,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duratec


morcus - 24/11/09 at 03:00 AM

RHD is the way it should be, LHD cars are wrong because the ignition is the wrong side of the wheel for starting a car without being in it.


MikeRJ - 24/11/09 at 09:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bj928
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duratec


I may be looking at the wrong bit, but the only V8 I can find on there is the "SHO V8" which was apparently never given the Duratec name?


[Edited on 24/11/09 by MikeRJ]