It also has timing chain not rubber belt for that extra piece of mind -loads of tuning parts available
Although Im a little way off getting the engine, I thought I'd ask as to the pro's and cons of 4cyl engines.
I like the vauxhall redtop.
I dont want bike engine.
I want reliability and good speed.
Any suggestions to anything other than the vauxhall lump and pro's and con's to them. I am also like many many others on a tight (ish)
budget.
Any advise on engine options and choices welcome.
Thanks in advance.
Andy
there's vauxhall ecotec and ford zetec and duratec. don't know the pros and cons between them all, but
ecotec is same block as red top, slightly down on power, but newer, and more of them available so cheaper. type 9 fitmaent is dead easy.
how "easy" is type 9 fitment to vauxhall ecotec?
Get your self a 2.0 ltr Duratec, nice light weight aluminium engine and relativity easy to get 200 BHP.
It also has timing chain not rubber belt for that extra piece of mind -loads of tuning parts available
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Originally posted by AndyW
how "easy" is type 9 fitment to vauxhall ecotec?
pinto
con slightly heavier than a ecotec, pro = a bomb proof engine!
duratec engine, as said light weight, good power, just a bit more cost than a zetec to do, but well worth it
stuart
Duratec or forget the 4 cylinder and go for 6
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Originally posted by big-vee-twin
Get your self a 2.0 ltr Duratec, nice light weight aluminium engine and relativity easy to get 200 BHP.
It also has timing chain not rubber belt for that extra piece of mind -loads of tuning parts available
nissan 200sx
ca18det already rwd and come with a gear box
[Edited on 15/6/10 by graememk]
I'm biased but for £1500 you can get a 300bhp as standard m3 lump and gearbox. engine is the same weight as a red top, gearbox is lighter than a
type 9 etc.
For £400 you can get a 328i engine and box which makes 220bhp with £80 worth of mods
lighter than a red top.
If on a budget a Zetec is hard to beat.
Mine cost £55 for a low mileage 2.0 plus £250 ish for ignition and carbs= around 150 BHP.
Bolts straight up to a type 9.
If I wasn't being tight i go Duratec though.
I would say a Toyota 4AGE and preferably the later 20V engines and leave them be as they are great engines in standard form with ITBs as standard.
However the conversion kit to convert to the type 9 can bump up the price. The toyota RWD boxes can be hard to get as well for easonable money.
Silly answer - How about about a Chevy L92 which is a 6.2L V8 with DoD (displacement on demand). On light cruise the engine management alternately
shuts of cylinders so the engine effectively runs as a 4 cylinder. Oh and not cheap to buy either so just ignore.
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Originally posted by whitestu
If on a budget a Zetec is hard to beat.
Mine cost £55 for a low mileage 2.0 plus £250 ish for ignition and carbs= around 150 BHP.
Bolts straight up to a type 9.
If I wasn't being tight i go Duratec though.
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you can double (and a bit) Whitestu's estimate if you're going to fit a decent exhaust manifold
I agree with the zetec route.
I paid £50 for my 60,000 mile 2.0 silvertop,then £200 for the exhaust and £150 for the carbs and jolt.A home made inlet and job done.
£400 for the install,thats on a budget.
Andy
Zetec or Duratec, prob best duratec, as i've spent lots on my Zetec
the other good point about the 328 lump is its 220bhp on standard injection and without taking the motor apart so you get factory reliability along
with the noise a straight 6 makes
I'd go Duratec or S2000. M3 lump would be great if you were building an AGM WLR
sticking to any pre 95 engine will save you the need for a CAT to get through the test - but even that isn't a massive problem
depends what you want from the engine really - personaly I'm a fan of the big old iron lump running on carbs
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Originally posted by eddie99
as i've spent lots on my Zetec
Cosworth V6.
£150 with 200hp out of the box.
Fits a type 9 with an alloy bellhousing, and has poo loads of torque and power capabilities.
Not good if youre short on space though it is 60 degree V not 90 degree so its fairly slim for a V6.
Zetec mines on the standard ecu.
Its cheap.
Its reliable.
It needs no maping.
I think I can get 150bhp at the fly and thats plenty for me. 150 horsses @ 550kg should be plenty
cheaper option= zetec
more expensive= duratec
the duratec is easily the better engine but a zetec is more than a enough for most people in a light weight kit plus if you blow it up a replacement
is cheap and easy to find
thanks for all the reply's. Now all I have to do is find a zetec 2.0 for £50
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Originally posted by AndyW
thanks for all the reply's. Now all I have to do is find a zetec 2.0 for £50
not really any point asking on here as everybody has their favourite engine, and everybody has always done their installation for two pence, making a
zillion hp with total reliability and zero weight...............
however, in the real world, its difficult to beat the vauxhall XE in terms of power per £, BUT, and I didn't think I would be saying this, they
are getting thin on the ground now in "useable without rebuild" condition.
For that reason I won't be supplying my customers with any more used XE's (having said that I won't be supplying ANY used engines at
all now, only rebuilt)
I will offer a rebuilt XE, but I will be the first to admit that if you factor in the rebuild cost of the bottom end, then a Duratec in good enough
nick not to need a bottom end rebuild makes a lot of sense.
Its not chalk and cheese, there are many out there who would have you believe that the duratec is night and day better than the vauxhall XE, well
it's not, its a tad lighter, has a weaker bottom end, needs more work to get the same power, BUT has great parts availability for very little
money, and that is starting to be the stumbling block with the XE.
I'm afraid that whatever anybody says, the zetec and ecotec (very similar units in many ways) just don't hold a candle to either of the
above, though they are very good units, and I for one will now be pushing my customers towards the ecotec for rwd vauxhall conversions just because
its so cheap and easy to get, in rwd format, from a dead Omega.
As for the post mentioning the 300hp M3 engine and box for £1500, yea, if its either stolen or broken!
We were looking for one for a customer the other day and there is a LOT of tat out there!
volvo redblock turbo or even a T5
Huge Pferdestärke potential for very little money complete with donor car. Bang for buck its tough to beat.
I am biased but the ecotec is a very good option also.