Hi i have a Ford 2.0 DOHC that has come out of a ford sierra H reg (1990) this was an automatic car and i was just woundering what is involved with mating it to a manual gearbox either type 9 or MT75 as ive heard a few saying about the sump on the manual and automatic is different with starter motor posistion etc could someone possible give me a little idea because im rather confused at the moment.

many thanks jared.

A flywheel and clutch for a start

Don't bother with it, not worth the hassle. Its a heavy engine for starter and very tall. There are very few parts available for them.

Flog it and fit a Zetec.

thanks i knew i needed clutch and flywheel, ive been told this by some one else about the zetec, i have the chance at a 1.6 zetec cheap i might go down that route does the type 9 gear box fit streight on the zetec engine

If its a 1.6 Zetec as fitted to Mondeos and Escorts the type 9 will bolt strait on but again its not worth the effort. A 1.8 or preferably a 2.0 Zetec will fit just as easily for the same cost and produce loads more power. The 1.6 is just not worth the effort unless you are racing in a class where its the control engine.

If its the 1.6 Sigma engine as fitted to Fiesta's, Puma's, Focus you need an expensive bellhousing to fit it to a type 9. This is a very good lightweight engine but will cost ££££'s to fit and tune to the same power level as a 2.0 Mondeo/Focus Zetec.

ohhh well the zetec engine is currently in a focus so probably going to be expensive, i currently have all the running gear (diff shafts hubs brakes rack etc) im just trying to work out what engine to choose as at the moment i have a 2.0 dohc but by the sounds of it would be hard work to fit, what would you suggest to use as in engine and gearbox any suggestions?

My view will be biased but since building my first kit in 1988 I have always been Ford based.

First car was X-Flow and Type 2 escort RWD box

Second car originally X-Flow and Type 2 escort RWD box

Then X-Flow and Type E Cortina Box

Then X-Flow and Type 9 Sierra Box

Since 2001 Zetec 2 .0 with type 9 box.

Zetec parts are plentiful and reasonably priced. A standard healthy Silvertop 2 litre on Weber carbs gives approx 165 bhp at the flywheel. Add 5 bhp if you use a Blacktop and add another 5 bhp if you use throttle body injection.

If you intend to use the standard Ford injection you will get the standard ford 130 bhp plus a bit more since normally a Kit Car has a better flowing exhaust.

To make things as simple as possible the engine would idealy be pre May 1995, this means that you don't need a CAT for IVA. Finding a good engine of this vintage is probably near impossible today, I have one in the garage I am saving for a rainy day, but worry not, if you build it with a minger you can put a newer one in later with no need to add the CAT.

As I said, I am biased.

you could fit any number of engines - just depends what you fancy and what bargains you can find


for example: (cheapest first)

ford type 9 box will fit most ford 4cly engines (x-flow, pinto, CVH, zetec 1.8/2.0) and the long input version will fit the 2.8/2.9 V6's in the cossie 24v (heavy!)
but there are bellhousings available (for a price) to suit rover K-series, Vauxhall XE, ford sigma (1.25/1.4/1.6/1.7), ford duratec (1.8/2.0/2.3), VAG engines and Toyota 4AGE.. Etc

quite a few folk are moving on from the older pinto's and x-flows, that means there are some bargain engines for sale (often with a decent amount of tuning) and these are still perfectly good engines to get you started (they also have a bonus of a pre-CAT emissions test for the IVA )

MX5 engines and boxes are getting quite popular as are BMW (even the 6cly M3 engines if you've got the space in the engine bay... )

the ford MT75 boxes mostly don't have removable bellhousings so are limited to the for 4cly or V6's without some kind of adapter plates

Rover V8's are still in a lot of cars if you've got the space (LT77 or R380 boxes)

The borg warner T5 box gives you a few options too - obviously the cossie YB, but other version of it suit various Yank V8's

but folk have also used the Vauxhall omega boxes to fit vauxhall and even Saab engines, and I've seen one westie with a VAG 1.9TD using a Toyota supra box (with an adapter plate from the US)


some of these may need mod to the chassis to get them to fit depending on the chassis / design your starting from - but they have all been done before

[Edited on 19/12/2012 by mcerd1]

The standard 2.0 silver top is 136bhp so even with the standard ecu, better breathing should get you near 150 bhp. I really wouldn't bother with the dohc from the sierra but the 16v version found in the rs2000 ain't bad and starts at 150 bhp.

Im running the DOHC engine as it came with the donor vehicle and it goes OK. 110 BHP calculated at the flywheel. Not outstanding in a family saloon but reasonable fun in the Kitcar.

Looking to upgrade myself but as a first one its seen me proud. 3 years of abuse on an MT75 and still going strong.

As has been said very little in the way of upgrades available but I do have a tuning guide that without spending a huge amout on a ECU should release a few more horses. PM me if you want me to send it.

Ok, I am putting a blacktop in my car but would much rather not have a Cat and the emissions to worry about.

Any suggestions on where to source a pre-95 zetec that I can then swap for my lovingly fettled blacktop???

If only someone ran a lending service.

Brian

Where abouts are you, I think my spare silvertop is a '94, I will have a look tomorrow and post on here.

Silver top is the way to go.

Another cheap and simple option is a carbed 1600 CVH from a fwd no complicated electronics. not the greatest engine in the world but no CAT required and it paves the way for droping a Silver top at later stage.

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Where abouts are you, I think my spare silvertop is a '94, I will have a look tomorrow and post on here. [/quote

Essex.

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