Hello,

Im looking at getting a bit more out of my 1600 pinto without having to use twin 40s as they i reckon there a bit pricy and not all that good in town.

I would be greatful for any suggestions. it is currently just a standard block and head with a stock webber twin choke carb on it. I recently had it tuned on a rr and they got it upto 78bhp.

Is it worth upgrading to bike carbs?

Is there anything else i could do to it?

Cheers

Paul

Firstly welcome to the Mad House!
Secondly, cams and some light head work will do wonders for more "bolt on" power. Then twin webbers, or as you've already suggested bike carbs which are supposed to be worth much more power just on there on. Or change the engine for a bigger one!

i would change it for a 2.0 pinto
and put a fast cam in it

No replacement for displacement

i too would just swap for a two litre. It makes sense, the engine would be cheap and still standard (easy to replace if ti broke). You could then still tune that at a later date once you decide its still not enough!

Twin carbs are not bad round town at all, i found mine to be completely driveable. If you think they are bad, compare to bloody bike clutches! Now they are annoying...

If pennies are short swap the 1.6 cam for a 2.0 cam, bit more duration so will up the power by 5%-10% and make it feel a bit more sporty.

Probably almost as cheap to go for a Zetec than trying to tune an old generation engine.
Regds
Ian

Thanks for your replys

so the thining is I should swop the curent engine for a 2l then in either a pinto or zeitec incarnation.

From what i have read still been a bit new to this the 2l pinto is basically the same engine as the 1600 so would just drop in as a direct replacement hooking up to the existing type 9 i have in where as the zietec would maybe involve alot more work with aditional wiring and different mounts?

Cheers

The zetec would need new mounts and I'm not 100% sure you can use the standard ecu with it, so you'd need something to replace it. I could well be wrong on this bit though. Also, you'd need the 1.8 flywheel and water pump. Well, you don't NEED the flywheel, but the 2 litre job is very heavy.

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Originally posted by roadboy
Probably almost as cheap to go for a Zetec than trying to tune an old generation engine.
Regds
Ian

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Well, somebody has to tell you the real answer to your question and I guess you might know what I'm about to say...........

Forget about heavy lumps and gearboxes. Go for a Bike Engine

Phil

I was going to say that ealier but I know how much you enjoy preaching to people!

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Originally posted by Hellfire
Well, somebody has to tell you the real answer to your question and I guess you might know what I'm about to say...........

Forget about heavy lumps and gearboxes. Go for a Bike Engine

Phil

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Originally posted by Hellfire
Well, somebody has to tell you the real answer to your question and I guess you might know what I'm about to say...........

Forget about heavy lumps and gearboxes. Go for a Bike Engine

Phil

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And if you can show us how to do that for the price of a 1.6->2.0L Pinto upgrade I'll have 10 thanks!

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................well in that case forget the crappy little bike engine and fit a DFV......LOL

How about a trusty old CVH from an Escort or an XR2? lighter, easy/cheap to tune already comes with a weber as standard and gives out about 112bhp.

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Originally posted by Hellfire

??? I don't believe he mentioned anything about cost limitations.....

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Originally posted by Pdlewis
Hello,

Im looking at getting a bit more out of my 1600 pinto without having to use twin 40s as they i reckon there a bit pricy and not all that good in town.

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He's probably right, they may be a bit pricey, I don't know.

Like I said though, he didn't mention anything about cost limitations.

Thats just your inference

Simple option is the 2.0l pinto, it will drop straight in and give an honest 100bhp, upgrades are then the carb from a 3.0l V6, injection head (5 to 10bhp just for the head) total expected so far about 115bhp add quad Mikunies and a 285 cam your looking at 130 ish.
After this it could do with a good head job.

You can't say that You'll get him arrested if he starts asking round where he can get a good head job . 2.0ltr Pinto is a bit taller so he may need to start hacking the bonnet or altering the engine mounts. There aren't many cheap tuning options that don't involve a lot of work, a good exhaust and carbs are always the first line of thought, cam and gas flowing next. Keep your eyes open for cheap parts is the only way to keep the cost down. Bike carbs need custom manifolds which don't come cheap from the makers, but someone upgrading to throttle bodies might sell them on cheaper.

Cheers Guys,

Its looking like dropping the 1600 is the plan then and slapping in a nice 2L over the winter!! Going to be keeping my eye on the big online car boot (ebay) for the coming months to see what they can do for me!!