marcjagman
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 12:39 PM |
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What? No poppy!!!!
Now I know I may be being a bit petty but as a public figure/TV presenter shouldn't Eddie Jordan be wearing a poppy? The others are after all.
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Dusty
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 01:06 PM |
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Eddie was born in Ireland. Unless he has changed citizenship he presumably still has Irish nationality and is not a Brit. Few non Brits wear poppies
even when they appear on telly. Ireland were technically neutral in the second world war.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 01:18 PM |
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He was wearing a small (magnetic/metal? maybe) one last week.
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Humbug
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 01:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dusty
Eddie was born in Ireland. Unless he has changed citizenship he presumably still has Irish nationality and is not a Brit. Few non Brits wear poppies
even when they appear on telly. Ireland were technically neutral in the second world war.
... but the poppy is to commemorate Armistice Day which followed the first world war, when Ireland was part of the United Kingdom 
[Edited on 13.11.2010 by Humbug]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 01:55 PM |
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Many people think poppies should be worn from 1 November until Armistice Day on 11 November.
Phil
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scootz
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 02:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
... when Ireland was part of the United Kingdom
And that's why he's probably not wearing one!
We get the same debate year in / out at Celtic FC amongst a very small section of the fans. This minority consider that the team should not wear the
Poppy on the playing shirt as it could be seen as disrespectful to the (huge) Irish section of the support (the logic being that some of them may
still be resentful of the treatment of their forefathers by the British army).
The club always take the stance that it's a Scottish club, so the Poppy will be worn.... the media know this will always be the stance, but they
lap up the murmurings of discontent amongst the vocal minority and use it to whip up a sectarian-storm in a
"will-they-or-wont-they-wear-a-poppy" non-debate every year!
Does my nut in!
It's Evolution Baby!
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interestedparty
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 03:01 PM |
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Approximately 50,000 volunteers (a noticeable proportion of a 2.5 million population) from Ireland served with the British forces in the 2nd World
War, 4 of them being awarded Victoria Crosses. Still, I can see how the poppy would be seen as by many Irish people as a British thing.
There's a rather wierd attitude toward Britain in Ireland, mostly friendly but with an occasional sort of undercurrent of ill feeling. Strange
considering how many Irish people live in England.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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scootz
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 03:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
There's a rather wierd attitude toward Britain in Ireland, mostly friendly but with an occasional sort of undercurrent of ill feeling. Strange
considering how many Irish people live in England.
It's not weird at all... the British have done some pretty nasty things to the Irish - some of it in living history.
It's Evolution Baby!
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zilspeed
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 04:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
There's a rather wierd attitude toward Britain in Ireland, mostly friendly but with an occasional sort of undercurrent of ill feeling. Strange
considering how many Irish people live in England.
It's not weird at all... the British have done some pretty nasty things to the Irish - some of it in living history.
And it's all much too long winded and complicated to be dealt with in here without people becoming majorly upset.
On Both Sides.
Let's leave it alone, I would suggest.
As you were
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 04:56 PM |
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Isn't it a personal choice?
Don't shoot me down, I'm just saying.
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blakep82
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 05:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
And that's why he's probably not wearing one!
We get the same debate year in / out at Celtic FC amongst a very small section of the fans. This minority consider that the team should not wear the
Poppy on the playing shirt as it could be seen as disrespectful to the (huge) Irish section of the support (the logic being that some of them may
still be resentful of the treatment of their forefathers by the British army).
The club always take the stance that it's a Scottish club, so the Poppy will be worn.... the media know this will always be the stance, but they
lap up the murmurings of discontent amongst the vocal minority and use it to whip up a sectarian-storm in a
"will-they-or-wont-they-wear-a-poppy" non-debate every year!
Does my nut in!
have to say, iwas disgusted by the banners last week, but you know...
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interestedparty
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 05:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
There's a rather wierd attitude toward Britain in Ireland, mostly friendly but with an occasional sort of undercurrent of ill feeling. Strange
considering how many Irish people live in England.
It's not weird at all... the British have done some pretty nasty things to the Irish - some of it in living history.
Speaking as a half Irish person who has lived in Ireland, and has Irish relatives, I am happy to say that the nasty things have been on BOTH sides,
but have only involved a very small proportion of each side.
There's nasty people everywhere, and some people only need a slight excuse to start in with the nasty stuff.
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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scootz
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 06:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
And that's why he's probably not wearing one!
We get the same debate year in / out at Celtic FC amongst a very small section of the fans. This minority consider that the team should not wear the
Poppy on the playing shirt as it could be seen as disrespectful to the (huge) Irish section of the support (the logic being that some of them may
still be resentful of the treatment of their forefathers by the British army).
The club always take the stance that it's a Scottish club, so the Poppy will be worn.... the media know this will always be the stance, but they
lap up the murmurings of discontent amongst the vocal minority and use it to whip up a sectarian-storm in a
"will-they-or-wont-they-wear-a-poppy" non-debate every year!
Does my nut in!
have to say, iwas disgusted by the banners last week, but you know...
As were 99% of the crowd! No place for that kind of BS in a sports arena!
It's Evolution Baby!
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scootz
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 06:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by interestedparty
There's a rather wierd attitude toward Britain in Ireland, mostly friendly but with an occasional sort of undercurrent of ill feeling. Strange
considering how many Irish people live in England.
It's not weird at all... the British have done some pretty nasty things to the Irish - some of it in living history.
And it's all much too long winded and complicated to be dealt with in here without people becoming majorly upset.
On Both Sides.
Let's leave it alone, I would suggest.
As you were
Yup!
It's Evolution Baby!
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martyn_16v
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 06:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dangle_kt
Isn't it a personal choice?
Don't shoot me down, I'm just saying.
+1.
Effectively forcing anyone in a vaguely public position to wear a poppy (and by all accounts the BBC basically do, quite surprised they missed him
tbh) takes all meaning away from those people wearing it. They're not wearing them primarily to show support, they're wearing them to
avoid being treated like a leper.
I don't know what (if any) work EJ does for charities but I'd take that as a far better guide as to his moral character than just what
happens to be pinned to his tit.
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 06:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
... when Ireland was part of the United Kingdom
And that's why he's probably not wearing one!
We get the same debate year in / out at Celtic FC amongst a very small section of the fans. This minority consider that the team should not wear the
Poppy on the playing shirt as it could be seen as disrespectful to the (huge) Irish section of the support (the logic being that some of them may
still be resentful of the treatment of their forefathers by the British army).
The club always take the stance that it's a Scottish club, so the Poppy will be worn.... the media know this will always be the stance, but they
lap up the murmurings of discontent amongst the vocal minority and use it to whip up a sectarian-storm in a
"will-they-or-wont-they-wear-a-poppy" non-debate every year!
Does my nut in!
"Get me a Bovril!" 
[Edited on 13/11/10 by Confused but excited.]
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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scootz
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 08:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
... when Ireland was part of the United Kingdom
And that's why he's probably not wearing one!
We get the same debate year in / out at Celtic FC amongst a very small section of the fans. This minority consider that the team should not wear the
Poppy on the playing shirt as it could be seen as disrespectful to the (huge) Irish section of the support (the logic being that some of them may
still be resentful of the treatment of their forefathers by the British army).
The club always take the stance that it's a Scottish club, so the Poppy will be worn.... the media know this will always be the stance, but they
lap up the murmurings of discontent amongst the vocal minority and use it to whip up a sectarian-storm in a
"will-they-or-wont-they-wear-a-poppy" non-debate every year!
Does my nut in!
"Get me a Bovril!"
[Edited on 13/11/10 by Confused but excited.]
Football Violence by The Big Yin by any chance???
It's Evolution Baby!
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morcus
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| posted on 13/11/10 at 08:27 PM |
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Surely if EJ wants or doesn't want to wear a poppy he should be entirly free to do so either way, for all we know he might have simply forgotten
or left on on a jacket. I sincerly doubt he was making any kind of political statement.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 14/11/10 at 01:12 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
... when Ireland was part of the United Kingdom
And that's why he's probably not wearing one!
We get the same debate year in / out at Celtic FC amongst a very small section of the fans. This minority consider that the team should not wear the
Poppy on the playing shirt as it could be seen as disrespectful to the (huge) Irish section of the support (the logic being that some of them may
still be resentful of the treatment of their forefathers by the British army).
The club always take the stance that it's a Scottish club, so the Poppy will be worn.... the media know this will always be the stance, but they
lap up the murmurings of discontent amongst the vocal minority and use it to whip up a sectarian-storm in a
"will-they-or-wont-they-wear-a-poppy" non-debate every year!
Does my nut in!
"Get me a Bovril!"
[Edited on 13/11/10 by Confused but excited.]
Football Violence by The Big Yin by any chance???
You'd better leave your shoe 
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scootz
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| posted on 14/11/10 at 09:35 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
... when Ireland was part of the United Kingdom
And that's why he's probably not wearing one!
We get the same debate year in / out at Celtic FC amongst a very small section of the fans. This minority consider that the team should not wear the
Poppy on the playing shirt as it could be seen as disrespectful to the (huge) Irish section of the support (the logic being that some of them may
still be resentful of the treatment of their forefathers by the British army).
The club always take the stance that it's a Scottish club, so the Poppy will be worn.... the media know this will always be the stance, but they
lap up the murmurings of discontent amongst the vocal minority and use it to whip up a sectarian-storm in a
"will-they-or-wont-they-wear-a-poppy" non-debate every year!
Does my nut in!
"Get me a Bovril!"
[Edited on 13/11/10 by Confused but excited.]
Football Violence by The Big Yin by any chance???
You'd better leave your shoe
Just in case anyone's wondering what the hell we're on about... Billy Connolly Linky
It's Evolution Baby!
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loggyboy
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| posted on 14/11/10 at 05:59 PM |
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All (ok most of) this talk is bollocks, the simple fact is (as stated early on) HE WAS WEARING ONE.
[Edited on 14/11/10 by loggyboy]
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Simon
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| posted on 14/11/10 at 08:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dusty
Ireland were technically neutral in the second world war.
If you include allowing U boats to refuel in Irish ports as neutral behaviour then I guess you're right.
ATB
Simon
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