PSpirine
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 08:35 AM |
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Formula 1 India now on!
EJ, EJ, EJ... oh dear 
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daniel mason
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 08:51 AM |
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Circuit looks quite decent too!
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welderman
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 08:52 AM |
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EJ lol.
Thank's, Joe 
I don't stalk people
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=172301
Back on with the Fisher Fury R1
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scootz
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 08:58 AM |
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How good is the BBC coverage!
What a shame it's going to be halved next season... 
It's Evolution Baby!
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PSpirine
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 09:05 AM |
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The bit in Austin was amazing - loved the footage of DC driving round the dirt track 
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daniel mason
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 09:19 AM |
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DC shoe company. Lol
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fullpint
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 09:25 AM |
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5 mins till the flag goes down. Time to make a cuppa and hope that we are in for a good race. Should be after all the shuffle around on the
grid..
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www.tpcs-magnesium-refurbs.co.uk
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bob
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 10:01 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
How good is the BBC coverage!
What a shame it's going to be halved next season...
I was thinking the same myself, and you just know that SKY will not be able make the same quality coverage.
Wel unless they steal the the whole BBC production team and presenters
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PSpirine
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 10:11 AM |
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Lewis. Massa.
Popcorn out.
(the Bean reaction to that crash was priceless)
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loggyboy
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 10:20 AM |
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Penalty MASSA
Get in - about time Lewis got a break.
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owelly
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 11:24 AM |
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Ha ha. Massa got the penalty because the stewards noticed he'd looked over to Hamilton several times before he turned in on him!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 01:17 PM |
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i watched the first few milliseconds and then got bored, so went to the garage,high light of the F1 calendar for me is...my lights left on buzzer is
alive and working
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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craig1410
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 02:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by owelly
Ha ha. Massa got the penalty because the stewards noticed he'd looked over to Hamilton several times before he turned in on him!
Did you notice though that Hamilton braked earlier just before impact and noticeably dropped back a metre or two. I wonder if Massa read this change
in his tiny mirrors as Hamilton yielding the corner and turned in. Look at it in slow motion and you will hopefully see what I mean.
After all:
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scootz
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 04:57 PM |
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LH's fault (again) for me. I have no idea what Massa was supposed to do...
Anyone can force an overtake down the inside if they make it clear they're prepared to use the outside car as a turn-in buffer!
It's Evolution Baby!
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mcg
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 05:35 PM |
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Try the track on the F1 2011 game on the X box. Its a great track to drive on- clearly very well designed. Getting some laps in on the game pre race
makes me appreciate the racing a bit more! I clearly have too much my hands! Should be spending more time getting my F27 tuned up!
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craig1410
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 06:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
LH's fault (again) for me. I have no idea what Massa was supposed to do...
Anyone can force an overtake down the inside if they make it clear they're prepared to use the outside car as a turn-in buffer!
I agree, Massa had to turn in at that point otherwise he wouldn't have made the subsequent right hand corner and might have damaged his
suspension on the kerb. Let's face it, he proved that the kerbs can destroy his car rather effectively.
I've got to say, if I was Massa, the last thing I would want to do is turn in on another driver as you are quite likely to flip your own car
into the gravel which isn't nice...
I'd say 70% Hamilton, 30% Massa in terms of blame. Even DC and Brundle though it was a marginal fault against Hamilton but largely racing
incident.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 06:21 PM |
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You have to imagine the curve is a straight. If Hamilton has his car a decent way along side (which he did) and Massa was aware of his presence (which
he was), and you dont HAVE to take the racing line (which mass tried too), then you have to view it that Massa effectively moved in to the side of
Hamilton. These cars will go round bends of different radi!
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craig1410
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 06:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
You have to imagine the curve is a straight. If Hamilton has his car a decent way along side (which he did) and Massa was aware of his presence (which
he was), and you dont HAVE to take the racing line (which mass tried too), then you have to view it that Massa effectively moved in to the side of
Hamilton. These cars will go round bends of different radi!
I disagree, these guys are racing at the limits so for a given corner entry speed, there is only a small window in terms of racing line between a line
which will work and one which will spit you out into the gravel either on that corner or the next one. Brundle and DC said that that part of the track
was one car at a time and that Hamilton knows this better than he does. That was the lap before he crashed. Massa had already broken one car by going
off line on one of those corners and shortly afterwards broke another car. There is no room for two cars to run through side by side at normal speed
and the car in front shouldn't have to lift off as this is even more likely to end in tears.
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JoelP
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 06:45 PM |
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Just because they are in a corner at race speed doesnt mean they cannot change line, you often see drivers avoiding eachother mid corner, so its a bit
deceptive to imply that he had no choice but to turn in. And equally, calling it a single file piece of track is nonsense; the track is many times
wider than a car and they can drive it side by side, even if it means both going slower. Many times you will see cars going through awquard corners
beside eachother, both giving enough space to not collide. What they really mean is that that piece of track doesnt present many opportunities to
ovetake.
However, Lewis clearly did manage to get a fair way towards being alongside. It certainly wasnt a banzai move (ie diving in with no possibility of
getting round the corner without the other driver having to avoid him). The fact that it wasnt a late move (ie sliding in with his brakes locked), and
that lewis was well into the space (ie not just his front wing beside massa's back wheels) to me clearly puts lewis in the clear.
A penalty for Massa seems harsh, but imho he could have avoided that accident, and in light of the recent motorsport fatalities, the stewards were
always going to take a dim view of avoidable accidents.
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craig1410
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 06:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
Just because they are in a corner at race speed doesnt mean they cannot change line, you often see drivers avoiding eachother mid corner, so its a bit
deceptive to imply that he had no choice but to turn in. And equally, calling it a single file piece of track is nonsense; the track is many times
wider than a car and they can drive it side by side, even if it means both going slower. Many times you will see cars going through awquard corners
beside eachother, both giving enough space to not collide. What they really mean is that that piece of track doesnt present many opportunities to
ovetake.
However, Lewis clearly did manage to get a fair way towards being alongside. It certainly wasnt a banzai move (ie diving in with no possibility of
getting round the corner without the other driver having to avoid him). The fact that it wasnt a late move (ie sliding in with his brakes locked), and
that lewis was well into the space (ie not just his front wing beside massa's back wheels) to me clearly puts lewis in the clear.
A penalty for Massa seems harsh, but imho he could have avoided that accident, and in light of the recent motorsport fatalities, the stewards were
always going to take a dim view of avoidable accidents.
When driving through a high speed double left at full racing speed there is very little room for another car, especially with those orange kerbs. This
is what Brundle and DC said and seems pretty obvious to me. Yes you can change line slightly but not much and there was certainly no room for
Hamilton's car. The fact his front wheel hit Massa's back wheel shows how far away from being a clean overtake it was.
[Edited on 30/10/2011 by craig1410]
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loggyboy
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 08:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
This is what Brundle and DC said and seems pretty obvious to me.
[Edited on 30/10/2011 by craig1410]
I think their iterpretaion was clouded by their (and most peoples) instant assumption that Hamiltion would get blamed.
As they also said, stewards have lots more data to look at, so I would expect that if they had thought it was closer to 50.50 they would have said
'no further action...'
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phelpsa
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 08:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
Just because they are in a corner at race speed doesnt mean they cannot change line, you often see drivers avoiding eachother mid corner, so its a bit
deceptive to imply that he had no choice but to turn in. And equally, calling it a single file piece of track is nonsense; the track is many times
wider than a car and they can drive it side by side, even if it means both going slower. Many times you will see cars going through awquard corners
beside eachother, both giving enough space to not collide. What they really mean is that that piece of track doesnt present many opportunities to
ovetake.
However, Lewis clearly did manage to get a fair way towards being alongside. It certainly wasnt a banzai move (ie diving in with no possibility of
getting round the corner without the other driver having to avoid him). The fact that it wasnt a late move (ie sliding in with his brakes locked), and
that lewis was well into the space (ie not just his front wing beside massa's back wheels) to me clearly puts lewis in the clear.
A penalty for Massa seems harsh, but imho he could have avoided that accident, and in light of the recent motorsport fatalities, the stewards were
always going to take a dim view of avoidable accidents.
When driving through a high speed double left at full racing speed there is very little room for another car, especially with those orange kerbs. This
is what Brundle and DC said and seems pretty obvious to me. Yes you can change line slightly but not much and there was certainly no room for
Hamilton's car. The fact his front wheel hit Massa's back wheel shows how far away from being a clean overtake it was.
[Edited on 30/10/2011 by craig1410]
Oh come on craig. It was quite apparent to you, I and everyone else with two eyes that Massa's intention was to close the door on Hamilton when
there was room for him to go wide. That is, in my books anyway, intentionally causing an accident.
I've not been too impressed with some of Hamilton's actions this season (especially his moves on Maldonado!) but he certainly didnt
deserve the blame for that one.
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craig1410
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 09:01 PM |
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I disagree.
Massa looked, Hamilton backed off but not far enough and Massa's turn-in caught him.
It has happened too many times, usually with Massa but also with Maldonado, Kobayashi and Webber. Hamilton's head isn't where it should
be. That is obvious and it is costing him dearly. Look at Webber, Alonso, Button and Vettel. They have close, wheel to wheel racing and yet manage to
avoid collisions at incredible speeds with the finest of control. They trust each other and rightly so. Hamilton needs to get a grip before his career
is all over and the first step is to get his father back as his manager and either stay away from women or find someone like Jenson's Jessica
who actually makes him a more complete human rather than just being a silly distraction.
I think the stewards probably gave Massa the penalty because penalising Hamilton doesn't do any good and maybe by penalising Massa it might make
him steer clear in future. I'm being a bit flippant here before you all flame me...
One thing we can agree on, this has to stop. Not funny any more.
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scootz
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 09:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
I think the stewards probably gave Massa the penalty because penalising Hamilton doesn't do any good and maybe by penalising Massa it might make
him steer clear in future. I'm being a bit flippant here before you all flame me...
Doesn't sound all that daft to me. Lewis looks like he's ready to throw all his toys out of the pram at any moment and he's worth a
lot more to Bernie as an F1 driver than not, so it's kid-gloves time!
It's Evolution Baby!
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RK
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| posted on 30/10/11 at 10:54 PM |
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I agree with Craig. Hamilton is losing it. Get the old man back in his camp pronto and ditch the American broad. Don't they have girls in
Switzerland?
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