mandbsheldon
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| posted on 22/6/06 at 10:14 AM |
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BEC V's R300
Does anybody know the performance figures for the R300 compared to, say an R1 BEC and how would it compare around the track? Just wondered because a
freind of mine has a Scooby, 400 odd bhp and said that a R300 was all over him around Anglesea.
Leigh
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Hellfire
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| posted on 22/6/06 at 10:30 AM |
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Sounds about right... bhp/tonne must have been about equivalent.
Steve
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 22/6/06 at 10:35 AM |
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what scooby is it ?
we have an sti 320bhp special edition
and you could be the shittest drive in the world and still get good results
the car takes over
but Im a good driver
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joneh
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| posted on 22/6/06 at 10:44 AM |
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My neigbour has a scooby STI and If he doesn't stop reving it late at night I'm gonna pull that annoying race can off and shove it up his
arse.
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 22/6/06 at 10:44 AM |
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what do our cars compare on straights to these kind of cars ? like scoobs evos etc etc with reasonable bhp like 280-350ish
do they overtake us
I ask because a Pulsar which I know is hardly tuned at all probaly filter and little boost increase
sat on my bumper the other day and it pissed me off big stlye
although I pulled a quite a few cars ahead of him from stand still
sorry if this isnt anything to do with an r300
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mandbsheldon
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| posted on 22/6/06 at 11:15 AM |
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much differance between R300 and a BEC
Leigh
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ned
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| posted on 22/6/06 at 11:47 AM |
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r300's were quicker than shorties indyblade round brands when he was two up a month or two ago. its an older blade though so an r1 would have
been quicker..
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 22/6/06 at 11:49 AM |
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one lapped anglesey at 53 secs
richijenkin in his r1 did it in 55 I think
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jimgiblett
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| posted on 22/6/06 at 01:13 PM |
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Mine appears to be fairly comprable to an R400. Judging by my visit to Croix last year (the R300s didnt come close other than in reversing speed 
What it loses out on BHP it gains on being light weight. As Ned says 2up in a BEC knackers the power to weight.
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richijenkin
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| posted on 22/6/06 at 03:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zxrlocost
one lapped anglesey at 53 secs
richijenkin in his r1 did it in 55 I think
He was on cut slicks and I was on road tyres though
Theres not much difference in the cars I dont think.. it all comes down to drive-ablity.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 23/6/06 at 08:10 PM |
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Ive done a 49.9 lap round Anglesey with the blade engine a couple of years ago, not timed since Ive had the R1 but Id imagine you could maybe knock an
extra half second off that everything being equal.
A well pedalled R300 wouldnt be far off that though, especially round Anglesey that doesnt really reward huge power that much. Generally though as
Jim says, with the R1 its similar to R400 performance overall, an R300 is significantly slower in a straight line.
cheers
Chris
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 23/6/06 at 08:13 PM |
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On slightly different note, a friend of mine has both an R1 Westie and a genuine ~320bhp Scoobie STi4, and he pretty much confirms what Chris said,
that up to 80mph the BEC is easily quicker, but above that the power takes over and the Scoobie just keeps accelerating relentlessly to 150mph+. He
was still quicker over a lap of Spa in the Westie though, even though its a very fast open circuit.
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progers
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| posted on 24/6/06 at 08:54 AM |
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Sounds about right Chris - I was at Snetterton in April on a Scooby and Skyline dominated track day.
Some of the cars were mighty quick down the revett straight but none could keep up with me on a full lap :-) Some of them were 400bhp+. The smell of
burning clutches was very strong!
- Paul
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 24/6/06 at 10:04 AM |
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Yep thats a good point actually, if comparing speed on trackdays as well as outright laptime, its also worth looking at how many laps it can do
without wilting! A lot of the TNBs (Turbo Nutter Barges as Jonny @ BaT calls them) seem to start cooking tyres and brakes if they're on it for a
full session, whereas a lightweight car can put in fast times all day long and yet dont come out the other end with a £400 bill for new tyres / brakes
every trackday.
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Toady1
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| posted on 24/6/06 at 11:41 AM |
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quote:
I ask because a Pulsar which I know is hardly tuned at all probaly filter and little boost increase
sat on my bumper the other day and it pissed me off big stlye
ive owned 2 pulsars, the last one i rebuilt the engine on and was running around 330bhp at 1.2bar boost. It was very quick in a straight line, and
after being in a few becs (blade) i can say the pulsar would leave it behind on the straights. best i did at pod last year was 12.8sec at 109mph, but
i couldnt get off the line without wheels spinning it or bogging down. on the twisties tho it would be a different story, they handle like a sack of
shite imo, understeer way too much! so round a track you would be all over it on the corners, but id say a 320ish bhp pulsar would leave you on the
straights. As for a stg one pulsar (bar of boost, exhaust and filter) it would be giving most 7's hasle on the straights too, as they only weigh
around 1200ish kgs and with that state of tune would be around 270-290bhp. which is still good for a sub5 sec 60.
[Edited on 24/6/06 by Toady1]
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 24/6/06 at 10:18 PM |
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l was two up and pulled away loads up till about 80 after that he kept up but the road was a bit bumpy so I kept backing of the accelerator aswell
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 27/6/06 at 12:04 AM |
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Just been looking on 5th gears webb site,for there lap times for varous cars at anglessey,FQ400 with vicky butler H driving 52 seconds,so as Chris
confirms,he's gone round in 49'9 in a blade,2 seconds doe's not sound alot,but on a short circuit it would be very noticeable after
just a few laps,5th gear also had a westfield busa engined car listed at 48 seconds,so this again would confirm,big turbo nutter cars are not as quick
around the tighter tracks than,bec's
[Edited on 19/05/04 by PAUL FISHER]
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/6/06 at 11:40 AM |
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Yep, Anglesey is well suited to small, lightweight cars with reasonable power/weight. I think that 48.0s Westfield lap was done in the mid
engine'd XTR4 (with Audi 1.8T engine rather than a busa), but I suspect with Tiff behind the wheel that would have been a bit quicker. A friend
of mine with a regular 200bhp Vx Westfield SEiW on hillclimb slicks was doing mid 47's on the same day as I was timing (which before I get grief
for timing on trackdays, this was a private day so we were allowed to and was done with proper lap timing gear ).
cheers
Chris
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Jubal
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| posted on 27/6/06 at 07:54 PM |
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Anglesey isn't kind to bigger power cars. My pal was most annoyed to discover a few grands worth of fibreglass was all over his brand new M5 a
week ago! When I put a good one together I was doing approx 50 second laps. The R300 driven by the organiser was a second a lap quicker but he made up
most of that in school! Mine's a standard 919cc blade engine.
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