Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 01:02 PM |
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Dry Sump Tank
Afternoon all,
Just looking at making possible chassis mods for the fitting a dry sump tank to my Tiger chassis. Currently i am thinking of shortening the passenger
footwell and fitting it there like this..... http://www.tiger-super-cat.co.uk/csc/supercat_zx12r/slides/DSCF9916.html
Are there better options for fitting the tank? Looks a good way to help distribute the weight and so on - not very often i will carry passengers
anyway so the loss of 7" or 8" of footwell space shouldnt be too bad.
Also - what size tank is best (ZX12R planned)?? Pace recommend 5" dia (3.2L tanks for BEC's but this seems quite small to me. Is going
bigger a bit pointless?? I was looking at this earlier which looks a neat bit of kit but is it overkill at 2 gallon capacity??
http://www.sm-engineering.co.uk/alloy_dry_sump.php
Cheers guys
Paul
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 01:24 PM |
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overkill me thinks, bike engines dont hold much oil, plus that will weigh alot when full.
Edit: see here http://www.zx11.info/zx12r/home.htm
4l wet sump capacity, 2 gallons is a bit more than is needed 
[Edited on 20/9/07 by Dangle_kt]
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 01:39 PM |
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Ah thats good then - just 3.2L didnt seem much at all but guess there will be a fair bit more in the oil lines, oil cooler, filer and engine anyway
wont there. Too used to car engines myself.
Will have a look around for a smaller tank (without the Pace prices)
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BenB
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 01:51 PM |
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Have you had a look at:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Oil-Dry-sump-Tank-Aluminium-Tank_W0QQitemZ160159652232QQihZ006QQcategoryZ72205QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
They make petrol tanks and dry sump tanks and they're cheap as chips compared to some....
Not sure if they're up for custom builds but I might be finding out soon...
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 02:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
Have you had a look at:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Oil-Dry-sump-Tank-Aluminium-Tank_W0QQitemZ160159652232QQihZ006QQcategoryZ72205QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
They make petrol tanks and dry sump tanks and they're cheap as chips compared to some....
Not sure if they're up for custom builds but I might be finding out soon...
Not sure if its the same company i was looking at - SM Engineering in West Wales??
http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=sm-engineering&&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&sspagename=VIP:feedback:2:uk&am
p;iid=320159944297
On their website they mention custom items so i have dropped them an email asking about a tank of approx 3.5L capacity. Price of the larger tank seems
very good with the catch tank included.
Does the end of the footwell look a good place to site the tank then? If so then i will make a start on welding in the extra chassis members (got some
thinner guage steel tube to keep the weight down for this.)
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Hellfire
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 02:49 PM |
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Just out of curiosity, why are you fitting a dry sump? What sort of driving do you intend doing?
Phil
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BenB
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 03:10 PM |
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In the footwell??? Not sure I'd want to be a passenger if it's sitting next to my toes. For one- the footwells often get toasty warm as it
is and for two- if a pipe came off they've quickly have 3.5L of hot engine oil over their toes.....
The engine bay side of the passenger footwell firewall though would seem a brilliant place to have a dry sump tank!!
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 03:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Just out of curiosity, why are you fitting a dry sump? What sort of driving do you intend doing?
Phil
I will be doing a fair few trackdays myself (and tend to drive very hard on track) and may also look to do the Curborough Sprint Champs (with slicks)
but i do have an issue with lack of vertical space with the Tiger (bonnet line is a lot lower than an MK for sure - at least 2 or 3 inches) which is
the reason i had to sell the 05 R1 engine i was going to fit.
Having measured up, even with a dry sump i will have the filter sticking up out of the bonnet. I could fit a modified wet sump with swinging pickup
but think i'd overall be better off with the dry sump.
(edited to mention i am possibly gonna go sprinting)
[Edited on 20/9/07 by Paul TigerB6]
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 03:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
The engine bay side of the passenger footwell firewall though would seem a brilliant place to have a dry sump tank!!
Plan would be to pop a couple of vertical chassis rails in to allow the fitment of a second firewall in addition to the original ones forming the end
of the footwell - basically box off a 7" - 9" section at the end of the original footwell if you see what i mean. Chester Sportscars did
exactly this in the pics at the top there.
The footwell would be totally sealed off from the engine bay anyway - i fully understand your concern there!! This is the reason for asking about the
size of dry sump tank at this stage - to make sure i leave enough room for it without taking up an excessive amount of the footwell.
[Edited on 20/9/07 by Paul TigerB6]
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higgsti
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 05:15 PM |
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i have a drysump tank in mt passenger footwell .the tank holds approx 5 litres.it doesnt cause passengers any problems
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 05:27 PM |
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Well I have received a quick response back from Spencer at SM Engineering ( http://www.sm-engineering.co.uk ) and sounds just what I am looking for -
custom made should allow me to get the connections in the best place for my car along with the correct size.
Copy of email reply below for anyone interested in similar products.
"Hi,
Would you want one with the catch tank or just a dry sump tank? i can manufacture one to your spec if you had a design in mind or you could just have
a smaller version of this, i would have to reduce the diameter and height to get the capacity e.g 120mm diameter x 350mm high would give approx
3.90litres, if you want to email a sketch or give me a call on 07967831453 then i will sort out a price,
www.sales@sm-engineering.co.uk
Cheers
spencer"
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 20/9/07 at 05:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by higgsti
i have a drysump tank in mt passenger footwell .the tank holds approx 5 litres.it doesnt cause passengers any problems
Right thats that one decided then - will make the required changes to my chassis tomorrow.
Thanks everyone.
Paul
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