Hi Guys

Well the new project is starting and is going to have this engine in

s2000 engine

Started to strip the engine down and then can start to paint up etc, its a low miles 49k engine ap1 so some small mods to do on the oil system parts etc,

Stripped the engine of all the parts not required ie

Water pump (going Electric)
Alternator and adjuster (going small denso 40 amp)

Total weight saving on this lot 13 kg cant believe the weight saving,

So then weighed the engine, as is full of oil and without manifold,

I was surprised its 119 kg, i thought it would have been more so very happy with that,

I know the gearbox is 48 kg with oil as weighed that too, and the diff with oil is 30 kg,

goal is to try to come in around or if poss under 550 kg,

Cant wait to get going and spent 4 hours already today cleaning the engine will hope to try and update as we go along where time permits,

Cheers all

Very nice! Always fancied that engine for obvious reasons (IE bhp). Weirdest thing though I saw recently though was my neighbour having to do a 3-point turn in their s2000. Car seemed to work fine going forwards but seemed to have massive clutch slip going in reverse. She was revving the nuts off it and creeping backwards slower than I could push it. No engineering sympathy for her car obviously. But then once the job was done, into first and away she shot.

Very bizarre. Couldn't think why the gear selection would impact on the clutch. Equally can't think what else would cause 5000 rpm and crawling backwards. Perhaps just a slipping clutch and the lower ration of reverse made it obvious whereas the higher ratios forward covered up for it? Didn't seem to suffer any slip at all going forward though....

Pics mate

Yeah I lent MK a gearbox so they could do the mounts.

They have been working on my RRR SR2000 and done a good job (picking it up next week).

Your goal of 550kg - is that with or without a full cage?

Either way 550kg is gonna be a tough ask.
I built mine pretty light,and was over 600kg

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Originally posted by daniel mason
Either way 550kg is gonna be a tough ask.
I built mine pretty light,and was over 600kg

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A dressed F20c weighs 20 ish kg more than a 2ltr Zetec

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Originally posted by gaz_gaz
A dressed F20c weighs 20 ish kg more than a 2ltr Zetec

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I'm not home to get exact figures but I've personally had both engines on accurate scales.

The S2000 motor was 145 - 147kg from memory
The zetec with everything to run it, twin carbs, clutch ect was 123 or there abouts

Granted you'll shed a little with light flywheel and ditching aircon pump

[Edited on 13/11/15 by gaz_gaz]

Hi guys will update soon,

But i am ambitious on the weight i know, but if of you don't set goals you will never get there

Engine i weighed and was 120 kg just over, on very reliable scales and that was full of oil,

gear box 47 kg, so yeah i know its not light but im banking on some other details to make it very lights, uprights wheels, and body work will be much lighter than standard items,

Still it may go over but we will give it a good go

Also i recently weighed a mk indy rr on corner weight scales with s2000 stock engine etc, came in at 580 kg with full cage

happy days, thats with full lights etc aswell, road spec car,

Ill have an update soon,

I think 550kg is do able Sean, especially if the aim from the start is lightness.
Did the engine you weighed have the clutch and flywheel fitted as the standard pair is about 13kg and might explain the difference.

yes had std clutch and fly wheel fitted, removed water pump and alternator, thats 13.6 kg,

new fly wheel is only 2.6 kg,

new alternator is only 2.7 kg, s2000 one is 5.7 kg so 3kg there alone

will be adding these parts to the engine though nice dry sump pan and pump tripler scavenge and the light flywheel

s2000 parts

[Edited on 13/11/15 by INDY BIRD]

God knows where the difference is. Mine was straight out a car and dropping onto scales.

Anyway. It doesn't matter.. good luck and I hope you make 550kg or less.
That flywheel is bloody light. I used a competition clutch flywheel in mine and that was 4.2kg.

yeah it dont matter realy it will be what it will be

But ill try to do what i can to save where i can, on the weight but im not going to get stupid about it

Good project, keep us posted with the progress.

Some updated pictures of the chassis now completed with engine installed for mock up, and started dry mocking up everything else before going off to powder coating,

loads to do but its coming along,


MK INDY S2000 RR

MK INDY S2000 RR 2

MK INDY S2000 RR 3

MK INDY S2000 RR EXHAUST

MK INDY S2000 RR front

MK INDY S2000 RR brakes

[Edited on 10/1/16 by INDY BIRD]

Looks good.

Is that the S2000 diff too?

Yes s2000 diff and modified prop shaft,so full s2000 running gear,

Just the drive shafts to make up from honda to ford,

Ah right tidy.

Is that a LSD as standard?

What ratio are they?

they are a torsen diff so like a lsd but not,

its a worm gear type, ratio is 4.1

see video here for how they work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEiSTzK-A2A

What size wheels/tyres are you planning on running?

Presume 4.1 will be ok for track work,as a few people that have built Mega S2000 Westfields are saying they are too low geared for road use using 3.62 Sierra diffs,first gear is apparently redundant,and they are revving to high at cruising speeds.

track car only,

with 13" wheels 215/55 tyres allround,

gearing then is theoritical,

1st 38 mph
2nd 59 mph
3rd 82 mph
4th 103 mph
5th 123 mph
6th 148 mph


you dont really use 1st on the track so not really bothered by the low ration, and you could always pull away in 2nd

The engine is designed to be rev happy all the time, if you want a road cruiser in my opinion v8 or put a diesel engine in if you want low rpm

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Originally posted by CosKev3
What size wheels/tyres are you planning on running?

Presume 4.1 will be ok for track work,as a few people that have built Mega S2000 Westfields are saying they are too low geared for road use using 3.62 Sierra diffs,first gear is apparently redundant,and they are revving to high at cruising speeds.

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gear calculator hear, as there is a reduction gear in the s2000 box,

http://www.turnzero.com/technical_resources.php?resource=gear_calculator

Not been on here for a loooong time - and its great to see someone actually building an MK Indy with an S2000 engine/gearbox

I can remember a good few years ago carrying a papermache s2000 gearbox round one of the kit car shows (think it was Stoneleigh) to see which '7' chassis it would fit into without gross butchering of the chassis after w/field had pissed me off after they refused to help me work out how to fit it into a modified seight chassis - strange how they now produce a chassis for it

The MK was the only one that looked like a good possibility, and the guys on the stand spent a lot of time talking things through with me

It fits an Mnr perfectly also!

IIRC my 2.0 Pinto'd Indy weighed 600kg with a tank of fuel, but no driver. It's fair to say it was the fastest accelerating car I've owned, fast enough to induce a little panic now and then. The Pinto was freshly built and carb fed with no tuning applied. More power would have loosened the back end a bit more.

Few more pics exhaust now done,

its off to powder coat now what colour then ??


mk indy s2000 exhaust

MK INDY S2000 RR exhaust

chassis is back from powder coating, and some progress made,


pics here only a couple of teasers


mk indy chassis s2000

S2000 MK INDY RR 11

Very nice that blue

Thanks for the comments

Its candy Apple Blue, they did a great job on it, really pops in the sun with the silver base etc,

[Edited on 8/2/16 by INDY BIRD]

that colour of blue is stunning mate

Thanks Ross,

some progress here,

Adaptors from Honda diff to ford drive shafts, sump baffle in place, Engine in, need to pain the rocker cover at some point,



rear panel

s2000 baffle plate

engine

Description

adaptors

few more pics,

Front brakes,
New competition stage 4 clutch and TTV lightend flywheel,
Pre wired fuse box,


front brakes

clutch

fuse box

So slow on the update, its been wiring so a bit boring really,

But the good news is it now starts and runs,

Thanks to great service from Omex who was on the phone for over an hour to help, cant thanks them enough,

Im running a omex 710 ecu,

So onto the final stretch and will hope to get some pictures/video soon

cheers all and back to the garage tonight

Glad to see it going well. Danny hasn't bother replying to me since I had my car back from him in November. I have text him 4 times and emailed him, got friedns to speak to him, rang him (no answer of course).

He charged me for a radiator fan and throttle cable I supplied to him, fitted my clutch wrong, charged me over £700 for an exhaust that is costing me 25bhp (on my S2000 engined car) and I TOLD HIM to use a 4-1 collector I gave him...he didn't. He also stole my clutch, flywheel, gearlever and wire meshing for vents, lost my rear boot panel (said he'd replace it of course, but hasn't), fitted my new clutch incorrectly (no grease on the input shaft so it sticks), didn't bother tightening the oil cooler pipes.

I have also seen another car that recently come back from him and the mess he made of that! I had to get the welder out to finish the coolant pipes that were leaking but I'll leave that for the owner to tell you.

I would never get MK to do anything again TBH. I paid them over £3200 and they have done an awful job leaving me to get 80% of what they did redone not to mention the bits replaced that they have lost.

My advice to you is to DEFINITELY NOT PAY DANNY until you are 100%sure everything is there and working because he'll tell you a load of BS about just needs this and I'll send you that and will NOT do any of it once he has your money.

[Edited on 12/6/16 by Rocket_Rabbit]

I think they work together!

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Originally posted by daniel mason
I think they work together!

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Sean's a nice guy and would help anyone out if he thought he was the cause. On this occasion it's nothing to do with him or his company and your issue is with mk Sportscars.
I've always found Danny spot on as well.but have obviously read a few negative comments on here over recent years! Hopefully you can resolve the problem and if a 2.5 hour drive can sort it then that's what I'd do!

[Edited on 13/6/16 by daniel mason]