DVLA Kits and Rebuilds and NOVA Proof
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 09:50 AM
Now I've calmed down, I would like to bring this issue to the forums attention.
Apparently there has always been a requirement to prove that a kit or converted vehicle q plate or otherwise, has to prove there is no import duty
applicable to these vehicles before registration. This rule HAS always been there but has never really been enforced. Probably because it makes no
sense what-so-ever and there is no form or facility to get this proof from the customs & Excise Notification Of Vehicle Arrivals (NOVA) they can
only send you a form to fill in that you can't fill in because it is for notifying them that you have imported a vehicle which you obviously
haven't. Good this isn't it.
BUT now I have been told that kits & rebuilds have been told by there managers that they MUST 100% have proof that the car hasn't been
imported or has duty applicable.
So I'm now sat here with a form I can't fill in because non of it is applicable and I can't speak to anyone about it at NOVA because I
can only get through to a department that provides advise on filling in the form I can't fill in!
I'm waiting for a call back from kits and rebuilds as they have asked me to send them the NOVA form so they can speak to their mangers about it.
Quote from NOVA ( It's complete madness they are now asking for this......I can only send you the form in pdf format that you can then print off
and try to fill in, but you'll struggle to do that as it's not applicable to you or your vehicle"
Any advise on this. 
mookaloid - 9/4/15 at 10:53 AM
I would have thought that a bunch of receipts showing that the kit and/or the components were purchased in the UK would be sufficient to prove that it
hasn't been imported.
This might be tricky if it is a project car that was bought with no documentation but for a scratch builder it shouldn't be a problem.
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 10:57 AM
Dear Sir or Madam,
I am making an application to the DVLA regarding the registration of a kit car type vehicle I have built and they have sent me the attached letter
asking me to contact your department. I spoke to your advise line and was advised that this had happened before and that it didn’t make much sense as
I can only really contact your department by filling in a NOVA application which isn’t applicable to the vehicle I am registering. Even though DVLA
Kits and Rebuilds Department agree that this process doesn’t make much sense and it is clear to them that the car hasn’t been imported, they have said
that I need to fill in the form as best I can, which is impossible, and have your government department send me a letter in response to this letter
and unfilled application stating the vehicle chassis number doesn’t appear on your database (and why would it, they gave me the chassis number and
it’s a new one at that) and indeed hasn’t been imported and that filling in the form or making an application for the import of the vehicle is not
applicable and unnecessary even though this fact is quite clear to them anyway. Go figure. So could you please place this application form in the bin
and be so kind as to send me a letter stating the above so that I can then send it to DVLA Kits and Rebuilds Department and then they can tick a box
and we can all move on with our lives.
The chassis no of the vehicle is SABTVR
Sincerely,
Angel Acevedo - 9/4/15 at 11:20 AM
Ctwv50
IMHO your letter is OK. but. The last part of it may be considered rude by a bureaucrat (so) that has had a bad day and may not get the results you
want.
Here in Mexico when I am dealing with this type of issues a swallow my pride and put on my @rse kissing outfit.
Not that you should but in the end it is easier to get what you want.
Again, in my humble opinion only
Hope you get it sorted soon.
AA
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 11:50 AM
Thanks AA, Don't worry I'm just letting off steam. I won't be sending the letter in that format. 
I'll let you know how I get on
with this anyway.
ReMan - 9/4/15 at 12:05 PM
If NOVA was an obstacle, I'd be surprised that this was not covered regularly on the forum
It is well documented though that the DVLA are unreliable and inconsistent and other things, so I wonder if you'd just spoken to the wrong person
on the wrong day.
Where is thjis requirement documented?
Davedew - 9/4/15 at 12:12 PM
Was the quote above from NOVA in the email that they sent the form to you on?
If it was I would have thought forwarding that email to DVLA along with the form should have sorted the problem.
They go on about saving the government money. Try training the staff properly and they would get things done quicker and cheaper!!!
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 01:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
If NOVA was an obstacle, I'd be surprised that this was not covered regularly on the forum
It is well documented though that the DVLA are unreliable and inconsistent and other things, so I wonder if you'd just spoken to the wrong person
on the wrong day.
Where is thjis requirement documented?
It's always been there but never enforced 100%, probably because it is nonsense, I've spoken to 3 of them up to now. They all seem very
confused about this and can't actually tell me what to do. They keep saying fill in the form as best you can. Well that's interesting, the
NOVA Form Notification Of Vehicle Arrival. Which part do I fill in and sign?
http://www.lambretta.co.uk/downloads/nova-form.pdf
Take a look.....
"Vehicle notification system for vehicles
brought into the UK from abroad
Use this form if you are bringing a land vehicle into the UK
for permanent use. "
"Part 1 Notifier details
Only complete this section if you are notifying on behalf of the purchaser of the vehicle"
"Part 2 Supplier details
Complete this section if you (or the purchaser) are making a purchase from within the EU. See Note 4 for a list of
countries that are within the EU."
"Part 3 Vehicle type and specification
Complete this section if you (or the purchaser) purchased the vehicle inside or outside of the EU."
"Part 4 Leasing arrangements by VAT registered businesses
Complete this part of the form if the vehicle is leased from an EU supplier by a UK VAT registered business."
"Part 5 Additional vehicle questions for EU purchases
Complete this section if the vehicle was purchased in the EU. If the vehicle was purchased outside the EU go to Part 7.
If you answered ‘No’ to the question in Part 4, you do not need to answer questions 33 to 40."
"Part 6 Specific vehicle questions for VAT registered businesses
Answer both of the following questions if the vehicle was purchased from an EU supplier by a UK VAT registered
business. "
"Part 7 Additional vehicle questions for purchases outside the EU
Complete this section if you (or the purchaser) are making a purchase from outside the EU. See Note 11.
To prevent possible delays in dealing with your notification, please check that you have used the correct commodity
code and import entry details for the vehicle."
ReMan - 9/4/15 at 01:12 PM
So where in the process of registering a kit-built vehicle is this NOVA required?
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/kitbuilt-vehicles
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 01:17 PM
I spoke to one lady to ask which vehicle vin number I was to enquire about, the main donor, or the car I had built. She couldn't even answer me
clearly on that.... pffft!
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 01:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
So where in the process of registering a kit-built vehicle is this NOVA required?
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/kitbuilt-vehicles
I know, it's not there!
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 01:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Davedew
Was the quote above from NOVA in the email that they sent the form to you on?
If it was I would have thought forwarding that email to DVLA along with the form should have sorted the problem.
They go on about saving the government money. Try training the staff properly and they would get things done quicker and cheaper!!!
I included the quote within my email but it was a verbal quote.
ReMan - 9/4/15 at 01:24 PM
You've lost me
I dont see any relevence or requirement for NOVA, neither for IVA application, nor Registration.]
So why cant you just apply as instructed on the web rather than talk to someone who doesnt know jack.
As for " requiremet that's never been enforced" that's borrocks (they not you"!)
40inches - 9/4/15 at 02:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
You've lost me
I dont see any relevence or requirement for NOVA, neither for IVA application, nor Registration.]
So why cant you just apply as instructed on the web rather than talk to someone who doesnt know jack.
As for " requiremet that's never been enforced" that's borrocks (they not you"!)
Spot on. Just send off the forms as laid out, ignore the NOVA (never heard of it before) and see what happens. There are enough hurdles as it is
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 03:30 PM
My application is already in as per the info on their website and even though the DVLA know that a search on the chassis number that they gave me will
return nothing by HMRC they want me to write to HMRC and ask them for a letter confirming this. Wow bureaucracy gone mad. I tied the manager up in
knots with my arguement that there was quite clearly large amounts of evidence to suggest that there was no chance this car was imported and that HMRC
would have no data or oustanding duty on the chassis number that the DVLA gave me. But she said "In this case we need a letter from
HMRC."
[Edited on 9/4/15 by ctwv50]
40inches - 9/4/15 at 04:51 PM
Send the form back with "NA" in every box, if they only want a form, they will have one.
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 04:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
Send the form back with "NA" in every box, if they only want a form, they will have one.
DONE!
40inches - 9/4/15 at 05:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ctwv50
quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
Send the form back with "NA" in every box, if they only want a form, they will have one.
DONE!
I really feel for you At one point in time the registration process was (sort of) the easy part, but it looks like the IVA test
is a doddle by comparison now
Could you possibly cancel the registration process and reapply? Assuming you get all the documents back.
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 05:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
quote:
Originally posted by ctwv50
quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
Send the form back with "NA" in every box, if they only want a form, they will have one.
DONE!
I really feel for you At one point in time the registration process was (sort of) the easy part, but it looks like the IVA test
is a doddle by comparison now
Could you possibly cancel the registration process and reapply? Assuming you get all the documents back.
They are going above and beyond all required levels of civil servant stupidity and pen pushing. They are so wrong check out this little lot I've
been reading....
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-information-sheet-0613-notification-of-vehicle-arrivals/vat-information-sheet-0613-notification-of-vehi
cle-arrivals
“When is a notification not required?
A NOVA notification is not required for:”
“• vehicles registered and licensed using a V55/4 which have been manufactured in the UK and have not been imported from outside the UK (Go to Note
(iv) for further information)
• vehicles registered and licensed using a V55/5 which have been manufactured in the UK and have not been imported from outside the UK (Go to Note
(v) for further information)”
“Note (iv) New vehicles registered and licensed using a V55/4 that are not vehicle imports
Certain vehicles that are newly manufactured in the UK are registered and licensed using a V55/4 form even though they are not vehicle imports. If
this is the case then no NOVA notification is required if you provide the DVLA with a letter from the manufacturer clearly confirming that the vehicle
has been manufactured in the UK. The DVLA will not register the vehicle if there is any indication that the vehicle has ever left the UK.”
“Note (v) Used vehicles registered and licensed using a V55/5 that are not vehicle imports
Some very old vehicles are registered and licensed with the DVLA using a V55/5 form even though they are not vehicle imports. If this is the case, no
NOVA notification is required where it is clear that the vehicle has been manufactured in the UK and there is no indication that the vehicle has ever
left the UK.”
http://www.bifa.org/_Attachments/Resources/1681_S4.pdf
. “6) Vehicles registered and licensed using a V55/5 that are not vehicle imports and do not need a NOVA notification 
We understand that a
number of customers use a V55/5 to register and license very old vehicles that have been manufactured in the UK and have not been imported from
outside the UK. If this is the case then no NOVA notification is required where: 

a) it is clear that the vehicle has been manufactured in the UK, and
b) there is no indication that the vehicle has ever left the UK. “
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 05:39 PM
Note (v) Used vehicles registered and licensed using a V55/5 that are not vehicle imports
Some very old vehicles are registered and licensed with the DVLA using a V55/5 form even though they are not vehicle imports. If this is the case, no
NOVA notification is required where it is clear that the vehicle has been manufactured in the UK and there is no indication that the vehicle has ever
left the UK.
ctwv50 - 9/4/15 at 05:45 PM
This is brilliant guess who I'm calling at 9am
http://www.bifa.org/_Attachments/Resources/1700_S4.pdf
Right down at the bottom of the document
However, if you have specific examples of the system not working or examples of any breakdown in communication between HMRC and DVLA/DVA
please contact anyone in the NOVA project team:
ctwv50 - 10/4/15 at 08:38 AM
I've just spoken to the NOVA guys and informed him of the situation kit builders are finding themselves in with the DVLA and he has gone off to
speak with other members of the team and is calling me back.
ctwv50 - 10/4/15 at 09:04 AM
OK it looks like this guy I'm talking to has the authority to get some changes made and he's going to be coming back to me later today or
Monday. I'll keep you updated and let you know what happens.
[Edited on 10/4/15 by ctwv50]
theduck - 10/4/15 at 01:19 PM
Good luck! I feel your pain, everytime I enquire about progress on my IVA application I get told the wrong processing dates, I even had one lady tell
me that when I asked specifically for the M1 dates that I didnt need the dates for an M1 application as I was having a trailer tested?!?!
Should add, the tech team who I managed to speak to after this have confirmed my application is in for the correct type of test and apologised for the
call centre being consistently inaccurate.
[Edited on 10/4/15 by theduck]
ianhurley20 - 10/4/15 at 05:36 PM
Well done Chris, thank you for fighting the battle for all of us who have yet to reach the point that you have.
IanR
rdodger - 10/4/15 at 07:04 PM
Am I missing something?
If you buy a kit you get a receipt?
Build your own chassis you have a receipt for the steel?
Don't these show nothing is due duty as it isn't imported
ctwv50 - 10/4/15 at 07:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rdodger
Am I missing something?
If you buy a kit you get a receipt?
Build your own chassis you have a receipt for the steel?
Don't these show nothing is due duty as it isn't imported
This is the point! You're not missing anything. Keep your fingers crossed that common sense prevails.
ctwv50 - 13/4/15 at 09:01 AM
OK so NOVA have come back to me asking for some questions to be completed because my vehicle is a "kit converted vehicle"?? Why, I do not
know. BUT there is a section in the NOVA document that mentions Kit Cars believe it or not! I don't understand why but I've done as
they've asked but also asked for an explanation.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-information-sheet-0613-notification-of-vehicle-arrivals/vat-information-sheet-0613-notification-of-vehi
cle-arrivals#notification-not-required
"Kit Cars
If the components within the kit would be sufficient to constitute a complete vehicle if already assemble (see above) the Kit car must be notified
into NOVA by a VAT registered business. If the Kit is imported from a country outside of the EU by a private individual Customs duty and import VAT
will be payable and HMRC will make the NOVA notification on your behalf from the import declaration."
ctwv50 - 13/4/15 at 09:14 AM
OK I think I have found the section that kits fall into in our cases.
"In some instances a VAT registered business or non-VAT registered business/private individual (where required) may have insufficient information
to make an electronic notification into NOVA, because the restoration project may have commenced before the introduction of NOVA or the vehicle was
purchased in the UK partially restored and they do not know the origin of the imported vehicle and were not given any documentation showing the
vehicle has been already notified into NOVA. In such circumstances a paper NOVA 1 form should be submitted, completed as fully as possible with the
information available. Copies of the receipts for parts you have purchased should be included to prove that the vehicle is a restoration
project."
BUT still it's says imported vehicle! IT is NOT an imported vehicle! oh ok....
"because the restoration project may have commenced before the introduction of NOVA " This is me I fall into this category, NOVA
introduction was April 2013, I started my build and received my VIN in Aug 2011.
Still doesn't make any sense to me. ??? WHY!!!! Is still my question.
ianhurley20 - 13/4/15 at 02:05 PM
Link wouldn't work for me so this one will
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-information-sheet-0613-notification-of-vehicle-arrivals/vat-information-sheet-0613-notification-of-vehi
cle-arrivals#notification-not-required
No it will not! the board inserts a space just where the underline stops. Copy, paste and delete the space and it will work.
Chris - I've just tried reading it and can make very little sense of it. I hope you get someone to see sense.
Ian
[Edited on 13/4/15 by ianhurley20]
avagolen - 13/4/15 at 08:01 PM
Looking through the Nova form referred to in the previous comment, there is a paragraph that quotes as follows.
Note (iv) New vehicles registered and licensed using a V55/4 that are not vehicle imports
Certain vehicles that are newly manufactured in the UK are registered and licensed using a V55/4 form even though they are not vehicle imports. If
this is the case then no NOVA notification is required if you provide the DVLA with a letter from the manufacturer clearly confirming that the vehicle
has been manufactured in the UK.
Could you not get a letter from the manufacturer of your kit
or even write it yourself if you have done a scratch build.
Len (v55/4 already received by DVLA last Friday)
ctwv50 - 14/4/15 at 10:41 AM
quote:
Originally posted by avagolen
Looking through the Nova form referred to in the previous comment, there is a paragraph that quotes as follows.
Note (iv) New vehicles registered and licensed using a V55/4 that are not vehicle imports
Certain vehicles that are newly manufactured in the UK are registered and licensed using a V55/4 form even though they are not vehicle imports. If
this is the case then no NOVA notification is required if you provide the DVLA with a letter from the manufacturer clearly confirming that the vehicle
has been manufactured in the UK.
Could you not get a letter from the manufacturer of your kit
or even write it yourself if you have done a scratch build.
Len (v55/4 already received by DVLA last Friday)
I was sent a v55/5, but there is no harm in trying a letter from yourself confirming it is not an import if it helps them tick that box! I think we
fall under this kit converted cars "grey area" though.
chris-g - 14/4/15 at 11:22 AM
Perhaps this one for the Parliamentary Ombudsman to have a look into.
adithorp - 14/4/15 at 03:29 PM
Did you not send a V267 declartion of newness form with it? That lists source of all parts and usually receipts attached for them and would show none
of it was imported.
It's a new one on me; Have you heard of anybody else who's had the same issue?
ctwv50 - 15/4/15 at 11:18 AM
quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
Did you not send a V267 declartion of newness form with it? That lists source of all parts and usually receipts attached for them and would show none
of it was imported.
It's a new one on me; Have you heard of anybody else who's had the same issue?
Yep. Only one other over on haynes forum and the lady at DVLA just said ignore it and send the letter back. I'm now dealing with the
"Personal Transport Unit Technical Support"! Whoever the F*** they are and they are processing something, I'm not sure, I asked if he
could explain why all this was necessary and he just said "It's the only way to get your car registered." I said "So every car VIN
has to be on the "Notification Of Vehicle arrivals" Database?" He said "I can't answer that of the top of my head"
I've asked 5 different people WHY? and non can answer my question.
ctwv50 - 15/4/15 at 05:30 PM
New email from them today.....
"Dear Mr ???????
Please confirm the actual age/year of manufacture of the chassis itself. Please also confirm how much you paid specifically for the chassis. It is
unclear from the invoices you have already provided if it is among them.
Yours sincerely"
My patience is running thin now!
Davedew - 15/4/15 at 07:41 PM
Did you not complete a V627/1 form stating that the chassis was new?
That along with a receipt stating that the steel you purchased was for a new chassis should have been adequate to prove age and newness.
What have you tried to register the car as?
Did the chassis steel receipt state it was for the same make / model of car?
I edited my receipts slightly before sending them last year to remove all confusion what they were for.
ctwv50 - 15/4/15 at 08:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Davedew
Did you not complete a V627/1 form stating that the chassis was new?
That along with a receipt stating that the steel you purchased was for a new chassis should have been adequate to prove age and newness.
What have you tried to register the car as?
Did the chassis steel receipt state it was for the same make / model of car?
I edited my receipts slightly before sending them last year to remove all confusion what they were for.
Yes I did complete the V627/1 stating the chassis was new.
Here's the receipt....
image removed as it made the page super wide?!?
A little ambigiuos I suppose as I called I registered a "Watson Super 7"
I think the main issue is I had a VIN number supplied by The DVLA in Preston in 2011 when I started building the chassis, in April 2013 NOVA was
introduced, and I finished building my car in 2014 passing the IVA in 2015. The chassis was completed in early 2014.
Read this................
http://fbhvc.co.uk/about-us/news/_article/22/hmrc-issues-guidelines-for-registering-restoration-projects-imported-prior-to-nova/
[Edited on 15/4/15 by ctwv50]
Davedew - 15/4/15 at 09:04 PM
Doesn't make a lot of sense really.
I made up my own VIN number which was approved by my local office in 2011. Car was finished and IVA'd April 2014.
I sent a copy of the letter I had form my local DVLA office when I registered in May 2014 and it all went through without a problem.
ctwv50 - 15/4/15 at 09:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Davedew
Doesn't make a lot of sense really.
I made up my own VIN number which was approved by my local office in 2011. Car was finished and IVA'd April 2014.
I sent a copy of the letter I had form my local DVLA office when I registered in May 2014 and it all went through without a problem.
Well I was told by a DVLA member of the K&R team that they should of been sending people off to the HMRC/NOVA/PTU department since April 2013 but
they hadn't, probably because they had no idea why, BUT now they are and they still don't know why. I just wish someone would just tick box
A or box B, I don't care which box they tick, just tick one of them so I can get my car on the road.
ctwv50 - 16/4/15 at 10:28 AM
OK I just spoke to the PTU to make sure there was no confusion over my application and was informed they have received all the necessary information
to start keying it in! Only taken a week mind, and I managed to get mine marked as urgent by complaining to the NOVA Team which was nice of them!!
This all probably seems like I'm making this stuff up as it just gets stranger and stranger. I hope no one else has to go through this nonsense,
literally NON SENSE!
Still don't know why I'm going through this for sure.
avagolen - 16/4/15 at 10:55 AM
Great news. My application still not arrivef at 'Kits and Rebuilds' department.
ctwv50 - 16/4/15 at 01:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by avagolen
Great news. My application still not arrivef at 'Kits and Rebuilds' department.
Did you send it recorded delivery (signed for)?
If so you can track it here.
https://www.royalmail.com/track-your-item
HTH
They asked me for the tracking number to check if it arrived initially.
avagolen - 16/4/15 at 03:00 PM
Yes. It arrived last Friday at 3:30.....
Phoned again today and the paperwork is now being processed . Yippeeeee.
[Edited on 16/4/15 by avagolen]
ctwv50 - 17/4/15 at 08:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by avagolen
Yes. It arrived last Friday at 3:30.....
Phoned again today and the paperwork is now being processed . Yippeeeee.
[Edited on 16/4/15 by avagolen]
Good News!
ctwv50 - 20/4/15 at 10:47 PM
More good news, NOVA/HMRC/PTU/WHATEVER have finished with me and I can now continue to register my car. Got straight back to DVLA and gave them my
chassis's NOVA number/reference for them to check. Just waiting now for a call and the then the road tax cheque to be cashed.
40inches - 21/4/15 at 07:47 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ctwv50
More good news, NOVA/HMRC/PTU/WHATEVER have finished with me and I can now continue to register my car. Got straight back to DVLA and gave them my
chassis's NOVA number/reference for them to check. Just waiting now for a call and the then the road tax cheque to be cashed.
It will be interesting to see if anyone else needs to jump through the same hoops
ReMan - 21/4/15 at 07:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
quote:
Originally posted by ctwv50
More good news, NOVA/HMRC/PTU/WHATEVER have finished with me and I can now continue to register my car. Got straight back to DVLA and gave them my
chassis's NOVA number/reference for them to check. Just waiting now for a call and the then the road tax cheque to be cashed.
It will be interesting to see if anyone else needs to jump through the same hoops
Definitely. It certainly looked like a "new one" on us here the very mention of Nova, well ever since the VW pop top kit anyway
ctwv50 - 24/4/15 at 01:58 PM
It will be interesting and anybody else asked to do it should ask WHY?
Got this in the post today.....
What a surprise! No VAT due!
Even this letter is not accurate.
Relevant? Schedule 11 paragraph 2 parts
"(4)Regulations under this paragraph may make provision in relation to cases where—
(a)any goods which are subject to a duty of excise or consist in a new means of transport are acquired in the United Kingdom from another member State
by any person;
(b)the acquisition of the goods is a taxable acquisition and is not in pursuance of a taxable supply; and
(c)that person is not a taxable person at the time of the acquisition,
for requiring the person who acquires the goods to give to the Commissioners such notification of the acquisition, and for requiring any VAT on the
acquisition to be paid, at such time and in such form or manner as may be specified in the regulations.
(5)Regulations under this paragraph may provide for a notification required by virtue of sub-paragraph (4) above—
(a)to contain such particulars relating to the notified acquisition and any VAT chargeable thereon as may be specified in the regulations; and
(b)to be given, in prescribed cases, by the personal representative, trustee in bankruptcy, interim or permanent trustee, receiver, liquidator or
person otherwise acting in a representative capacity in relation to the person who makes that acquisition."
There is no paragraph 2 (5D) or (5C) for that matter!
Here is a section from the NOVA document that again doesn't apply to me!
"How will component parts brought in from either insider or outside of the EU for incorporation into a restoration project be
treated?
If a business or private individual buys new or used component parts (from suppliers outside of the EU or from another Member state of the EU) and
these parts are incorporated in to a restoration project vehicle which will eventually be licensed and registered by the DVLA, a NOVA declaration will
not be required.
Component parts that are imported from a country outside of the EU will be liable to import VAT and customs duty and should be correctly classified at
the time of importation.
Component parts imported into the UK from a another member state of the EU may be subject to acquisition tax but this will depend on the tax status of
the goods at the time of supply and whether the supply is to a VAT registered business or a business not VAT registered or a private individual.
Where a chassis (or frame) with sufficient major components are imported from outside the EU or from another Member State in the same consignment (as
discussed above) they will not be regarded as component parts for NOVA purposes."
And the little bit about kit cars. I think some numpty has rread this section and thought "Right all kit cars then!" not
realising it is under the section IMPORTED PARTS!!! contained within a document called NOTIFICATION OF VEHICLE ARRIVALS!!!
"Kit Cars
If the components within the kit would be sufficient to constitute a complete vehicle if already assemble (see above) the Kit car must be notified
into NOVA by a VAT registered business. If the Kit is imported from a country outside of the EU by a private individual Customs duty and import VAT
will be payable and HMRC will make the NOVA notification on your behalf from the import declaration."
This is the only bit that could possibly apply to me but (1) it isn't a restoration, (2) There is no evidence it came from outside the
UK!!! I still don't get it!
"How do I make a NOVA notification for a restoration project vehicle?
If a complete vehicle or component parts with the essential characteristics of a vehicle are imported from outside of the EU, a VAT registered
business must make a NOVA notification. However, the HMRC NCH will make the notification on behalf of private individuals or non-VAT registered
businesses.
If a complete vehicle or component parts with the essential characteristics of a complete vehicle are brought to the UK from another member state of
the EU the NOVA notification must be made irrespective of whether the vehicle is brought in by a VAT registered business, non-VAT registered business
or private individual.
In some instances a VAT registered business or non-VAT registered business/private individual (where
required) may have insufficient information to make an electronic notification into NOVA, because the restoration
project may have commenced before the introduction of NOVA or the vehicle was purchased in the UK partially restored
and they do not know the origin of the imported vehicle and were not given any documentation showing the vehicle has been already notified into NOVA.
In such circumstances a paper NOVA 1 form should be submitted, completed as fully as possible with the information available.
Copies of the receipts for parts you have purchased should be included to prove that the vehicle is a restoration
project."
[Edited on 24/4/15 by ctwv50]
ctwv50 - 29/4/15 at 01:38 PM
Got my reg number today got updated cover note, just waiting for the V5 ref before getting reg plates made and then woo hoo I'll be on the road.
avagolen - 29/4/15 at 01:46 PM
Excellent news.
luke2152 - 29/4/15 at 02:58 PM
I'm currently jumping through the same hoops... im finally making some progress though I think
ctwv50 - 29/4/15 at 03:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by luke2152
I'm currently jumping through the same hoops... im finally making some progress though I think
I can help you with the NOVA from if needed. And I have the PTU department tel number and email.
luke2152 - 29/4/15 at 03:06 PM
Ptu has been nothing but helpful. Its dvla being difficult. Anyway I think it is all back on track. Ill post details when I get it all sorted.
Edwardo - 29/4/15 at 03:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ctwv50
quote:
Originally posted by luke2152
I'm currently jumping through the same hoops... im finally making some progress though I think
I can help you with the NOVA from if needed. And I have the PTU department tel number and email.
Can I ask what your situation is please Luke regarding what stage you are with the reg process/ when your chassis number was allocated etc?
It might be a good indicator as to whether we are all going to start having to go through yet another ridiculous bureaucratic hoop to get a new build
onto the road.
Cheers
Tony
theduck - 29/4/15 at 04:59 PM
I share your fears! I have iva next week and hoping I don't have to go through this once I get my pass.
luke2152 - 29/4/15 at 06:24 PM
*Applied to DVLA for VIN number October '14 - took 2 weeks til I got a letter back with VIN number.
*Applied for IVA test mid November. Nothing heard after 6 weeks, contacted them myself for the Z-number required to book IVA.
*Contacted DVSA(VOSA) for IVA and got a test date sorted for start of Feb but I was only available Wednesdays so that probably delayed it.
*IVA fail 2 Feb and took 4 weeks to get it ready for retest and then had to wait 2 weeks to get a slot.
*IVA pass 16 March and sent paperwork off immediately.
*DVLA contacted me 18 April to tell me I needed a NOVA certificate and been chasing that since.
Here my situation was slightly different because I was living in Germany when I was doing some of my build and as such some of the receipts I sent to
DVLA had a German address on them (I'm back in UK now). I thought that was the reason why I got asked to do NOVA but it seems that everyone is
getting asked that now. Anyway I submitted NOVA application online to HMRC. Then rang them and talked about the situation and they looked up their
rules and said I didn't need a NOVA. DVLA wasn't happy about that so I got HMRC to ring DVLA and explain that NOVA wasn't required but
DVLA still wanted a letter from HMRC. I finally have that and have forwarded it to DVLA so hopefully they can carry on....
ctwv50 - 29/4/15 at 09:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by luke2152Then rang them and talked about the situation and they looked up their rules and said I didn't need a
NOVA. DVLA wasn't happy about that so I got HMRC to ring DVLA and explain that NOVA wasn't required but DVLA still wanted a letter from
HMRC. I finally have that and have forwarded it to DVLA so hopefully they can carry on....
It's just nuts isn't it, I struggle personally with illogical actions or words, I simply can't let it go and have to point it out, ( I
work in computers, Microsoft drive me nuts daily) I'm not diagnosed autistic, but this really annoys me because someone high up in the DVLA is
making everyone do this but for no apparent logical reason!
ctwv50 - 30/4/15 at 03:57 PM
TIME TO DRIVE!
David Jenkins - 30/4/15 at 04:26 PM
Now THAT is a scary helmet & mask!
luke2152 - 1/5/15 at 03:59 PM
V5 came in the mail today! Happy days.
theduck - 1/5/15 at 04:34 PM
Those of you that have had to go through this, would you recommend doing it before applying for your registration?
SteveWalker - 1/5/15 at 04:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Now THAT is a scary helmet & mask!
A gunner in Mad Max 2 I think!
luke2152 - 1/5/15 at 04:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by theduck
Those of you that have had to go through this, would you recommend doing it before applying for your registration?
That would probably be a good idea although to be honest the whole NOVA fiasco probably only held me up 2 weeks. 2 very stressful weeks! Best advice
is to follow up every letter or email to either DVLA or HMRC with a phone call after a few days and keep ringing back (politely) until you get what
you're after. DVLA especially don't seem to do anything unless prompted.
Useful numbers:
DVLA kits and rebuilds - 01792782069 - Donna Kennet
HMRC - 03000583020 - Alex is the man to ask for as he seems to have a bit of common sense.
ctwv50 - 1/5/15 at 10:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by luke2152
quote:
Originally posted by theduck
Those of you that have had to go through this, would you recommend doing it before applying for your registration?
That would probably be a good idea although to be honest the whole NOVA fiasco probably only held me up 2 weeks. 2 very stressful weeks! Best advice
is to follow up every letter or email to either DVLA or HMRC with a phone call after a few days and keep ringing back (politely) until you get what
you're after. DVLA especially don't seem to do anything unless prompted.
Useful numbers:
DVLA kits and rebuilds - 01792782069 - Donna Kennet
HMRC - 03000583020 - Alex is the man to ask for as he seems to have a bit of common sense.
Agreed, if it becomes apparent that they are going to make this mandatory then yes when you apply to DVLA I would at the same time speak with the PTU
about getting an application in. They just need receipts and a date for when the chassis was completed as they use this for data entry. Might save you
a week or two. Donna is a lovely lady she ended up taking my app on due to sickness, and she calls you back to when she says she is going to. PTU team
are no problem but the process can seem confusing, and it is but I won't go there again.
Anyway my V5 turned up today!
ctwv50 - 1/5/15 at 10:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by luke2152
quote:
Originally posted by theduck
Those of you that have had to go through this, would you recommend doing it before applying for your registration?
That would probably be a good idea although to be honest the whole NOVA fiasco probably only held me up 2 weeks. 2 very stressful weeks! Best advice
is to follow up every letter or email to either DVLA or HMRC with a phone call after a few days and keep ringing back (politely) until you get what
you're after. DVLA especially don't seem to do anything unless prompted.
Useful numbers:
DVLA kits and rebuilds - 01792782069 - Donna Kennet
HMRC - 03000583020 - Alex is the man to ask for as he seems to have a bit of common sense.
Agreed, if it becomes apparent that they are going to make this mandatory then yes when you apply to DVLA I would at the same time speak with the PTU
about getting an application in. They just need receipts and a date for when the chassis was completed as they use this for data entry. Might save you
a week or two. Donna is a lovely lady she ended up taking my app on due to sickness, and she calls you back to when she says she is going to. PTU team
are no problem but the process can seem confusing, and it is but I won't go there again.
Anyway my V5 turned up today!
ctwv50 - 1/5/15 at 10:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by SteveWalker
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Now THAT is a scary helmet & mask!
A gunner in Mad Max 2 I think!
A guy in screw fix today said "something out of Death Race 2000"! haha.
avagolen - 8/5/15 at 09:17 AM
Quick question for those who have recently gained registration.
How long aftet registration completed and v5 arriving in the post?
Received email this morning confirming completed this morning.
No NOVA even mentioned in any communications.
ctwv50 - 8/5/15 at 09:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by avagolen
Quick question for those who have recently gained registration.
How long aftet registration completed and v5 arriving in the post?
Received email this morning confirming completed this morning.
No NOVA even mentioned in any communications.
I don't understand your question, sorry.
avagolen - 8/5/15 at 09:26 AM
How long after dvla confirmation that registration is completed (via email this morning)
and v5 arrives in the post.
Required so I can get some number plates made up and drive.:-):-):-):-)
40inches - 8/5/15 at 09:26 AM
quote:
Originally posted by avagolen
Quick question for those who have recently gained registration.
How long aftet registration completed and v5 arriving in the post?
Received email this morning confirming completed this morning.
No NOVA even mentioned in any communications.
Once you have a registration, you can get plates made up and drive it. The V5 will not be along anytime soon, judging by my experience.
avagolen - 8/5/15 at 09:30 AM
So how do you get number plates made without it?
40inches - 8/5/15 at 09:33 AM
quote:
Originally posted by avagolen
So how do you get number plates made without it?
They sent a form giving authority to have plates made up. If you have a reg number it may be quicker to get a set from an eBay seller.
avagolen - 8/5/15 at 09:36 AM
Thanks. That is what I need to know.
How long for the form to arrive? Approx........
40inches - 8/5/15 at 09:40 AM
Pretty quickly if I remember correctly, but a few days and a few miles after I had the plates made
avagolen - 8/5/15 at 09:45 AM
Many thanks.
ctwv50 - 8/5/15 at 10:34 AM
Congratulations looks like yours went smoothly. No nova for you? I wonder if it is because it is a kit car rather than a self build.
avagolen - 8/5/15 at 12:48 PM
Who knows. Maybe the planets were aligned !!!
luke2152 - 8/5/15 at 12:55 PM
I must say the final bit of the registration went smoothly. Once I had a letter from HMRC proving I didn't need a NOVA I emailed it to DVLA and
my v5 arrived 48 hours later in the post
avagolen - 8/5/15 at 01:04 PM
Wow. :-)
timnuttuk - 8/5/15 at 07:25 PM
I'm stuck with NOVA too. Spoke to DVLA this morning and while she was helpful, she said I had to go to NOVA with the new VIN number she was
giving me. Spoke to NOVA and they emailed me a form. Which form did NOVA send you? I have a "Notification of vehicle arrivals" - stupid form
as it doesn't apply to me. I have written a covering letter explaining it was build in the UK, and DVLA said I needed to contact NOVA.
What is PTU you mentioned?
Also did you include a receipt for the kit/chassis?
Many thanks - it is a small comfort to know that it is possible to get through the hell-hole.
TimN
[Edited on 8/5/15 by timnuttuk]
ctwv50 - 8/5/15 at 07:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by timnuttuk
I'm stuck with NOVA too. Spoke to DVLA this morning and while she was helpful, she said I had to go to NOVA with the new VIN number she was
giving me. Spoke to NOVA and they emailed me a form. Which form did NOVA send you? I have a "Notification of vehicle arrivals" - stupid form
as it doesn't apply to me. I have written a covering letter explaining it was build in the UK, and DVLA said I needed to contact NOVA.
What is PDU you mentioned?
Also did you include a receipt for the kit/chassis?
Many thanks - it is a small comfort to know that it is possible to get through the hell-hole.
TimN
Send your receipts for major components to them with the NOVA1 form filled in as follows....
Complete Part 3 AND 5 of the NOVA1.
You must complete questions 22 and 28, with year of manufacture of the chassis, and 29 to 40."
PTU are the department that will deal with your application.
Contact No. is 03000 583020
[Edited on 8/5/15 by ctwv50]
timnuttuk - 8/5/15 at 07:36 PM
THANKS! Fingers crossed and lots of deep breaths as I'm already running out of patience :-)
ctwv50 - 8/5/15 at 07:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by timnuttuk
THANKS! Fingers crossed and lots of deep breaths as I'm already running out of patience :-)
Find a distraction to keep yourself busy, it is maddening. Can I see a picture of your car?
timnuttuk - 8/5/15 at 07:52 PM
See the site below for lots of pics and lots of waffle on the build... I have enjoyed the build, but at times it was frustrating especially the
clutch...:-)
http://cobrakit.blogspot.co.uk/
TimN
timnuttuk - 8/5/15 at 07:59 PM
I'll try that again, as I updated the cover photo and screwed it up :-)
[Edited on 8/5/15 by timnuttuk]
ctwv50 - 8/5/15 at 08:09 PM
Nice car, I plan to build a cobra one day. 
avagolen - 12/5/15 at 08:10 PM
V5 arrived to day - plates fitted and out for a drive
Dropped the front pressures down to 20 and easier to drive in a straight line - always a bonus.
small oil leak has shown itself from the rear of the cam cover
Sorry but the Ipad video is very washed out and wont play properly on my PC. too sunny
28 miles done so far. Hopefully tomorrow I will stop the leak and have another drive.
ctwv50 - 12/5/15 at 08:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by avagolen
V5 arrived to day - plates fitted and out for a drive
Dropped the front pressures down to 20 and easier to drive in a straight line - always a bonus.
small oil leak has shown itself from the rear of the cam cover
Sorry but the Ipad video is very washed out and wont play properly on my PC. too sunny
28 miles done so far. Hopefully tomorrow I will stop the leak and have another drive.
Cool, Well done!
avagolen - 12/5/15 at 08:29 PM
Thanks. You too. Enjoying it?
ctwv50 - 12/5/15 at 09:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by avagolen
Thanks. You too. Enjoying it?
Yep, nice and sunny lately, been taking the kids out for a local blast and doing some cosmetic changes. funnily enough my first few blasts ended up
with an oil leak! Doh. Been playing with white sharpie paint pens this weekend!
avagolen - 13/5/15 at 07:56 AM
Nice touch.
Hopefully ican stop my oil leak this evening and go for another 'tootle' around the villages.
timnuttuk - 23/5/15 at 03:34 PM
v5 arrived today, plates bought, fixed to car, sun came out and VRROOOOMMMM! Been driving it all afternoon. Popping back home to tweak the Spax
shocks. Started very bouncy, but feeling more solid now. So frustrated about this STUPID NOVA application, but it only added 2 weeks on top of the 4
weeks the DVLA took - still.
My advise to anyone is
a) get a VIN number from the DVLA, mine came from the kit manufacturer and DVLA said they had to issue a new one (not sure if it is because I was
getting a Q-plate.
b) check whether a NOVA application is needed - and get it off at the same time as DVLA paperwork to avoid the additional 2 weeks.
c) stay calm and don't get cross with them, it will only slow down the process. I spoke to them a few times to nudge along the process and
generally they were very helpful dealing with a stupid process.
Thanks again for all your help on this one - I was getting a little stress, but knowing someone else had been through it and there was light at the
end of the tunnel, made me relax a little.
Off out again in a minute
Thanks
TimN
ctwv50 - 25/5/15 at 06:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by timnuttuk
v5 arrived today, plates bought, fixed to car, sun came out and VRROOOOMMMM! Been driving it all afternoon. Popping back home to tweak the Spax
shocks. Started very bouncy, but feeling more solid now. So frustrated about this STUPID NOVA application, but it only added 2 weeks on top of the 4
weeks the DVLA took - still.
My advise to anyone is
a) get a VIN number from the DVLA, mine came from the kit manufacturer and DVLA said they had to issue a new one (not sure if it is because I was
getting a Q-plate.
b) check whether a NOVA application is needed - and get it off at the same time as DVLA paperwork to avoid the additional 2 weeks.
c) stay calm and don't get cross with them, it will only slow down the process. I spoke to them a few times to nudge along the process and
generally they were very helpful dealing with a stupid process.
Thanks again for all your help on this one - I was getting a little stress, but knowing someone else had been through it and there was light at the
end of the tunnel, made me relax a little.
Off out again in a minute
Thanks
TimN
Excellent news, patience is a virtue but it feels like the DVLA are pushing that virtue to it's limit! Well done great weather Saturday, good day
to get out on the road!
