... of hearing ZERO emission cars 
Again, on the news, new Nissan electric car, that will be built in Sunderlandshire, is said to be a ZERO emission car.
What a load of tripe.
Unless it is solar powered or runs solely on air, which it don't since it is electric, 
then there will be emissions at the power plant which
generates the electricity.
GGGrrrrrr......................
Nissan said the Leaf hatchback would be the world's first affordable, mass-produced, zero-emission
car. B*ll*cks is it
[Edited on 18/3/10 by 02GF74]
what quantity of emissions does the car output itself again?
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Originally posted by 02GF74
... of hearing ZERO emission cars
What a load of tripe.
Unless it is solar powered or runs solely on air, which it don't since it is electric,
GGGrrrrrr......................
Unless your power source is nuclear, solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, hydroelectric etc etc.
Which of course in the UK, it won't be, as we seem to be unable to have the balls to build a Severn Barrage and a load of new reactors and would
rather continue chucking coal onto a load of big fires and pretending electric cars are 'Zero Emission'.
I completely agree, the electric generation source does create emmisions so even though the car itself is emmision free the power it needs creates emmisions.
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Originally posted by cd.thomson
what quantity of emissions does the car output itself again?
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Originally posted by 02GF74
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Originally posted by cd.thomson
what quantity of emissions does the car output itself again?
16.8
Don't forget the emissions for building the car in the 1st place and as for making the batteries!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by matt_claydon
Unless your power source is nuclear, solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, hydroelectric etc etc.
whats the co2 emission of a person???
Best not build em then, just let all those geordies go on the jam roll.
We'll tell em all it was your idea.
Cheers,
Bob
We should all eat Kangaroo meat instead of beef. Cows emit methane, which released unburned into the atmosphere is 5 times worse than CO2 (burned
methane, on the other hand is better). Roos don't emit methane, whereas cows and sheep do, and also take less energy (in terms of transportation
and feeding, etc.) per kilo of meat than cows. And it tastes nice 
Then, we can drive whatever cars we want!
So we should all be driving kangaroos*? Yay!!
*not those Renault Kangoo. They emit bits of themselves wherever they go....
It's definitely a bit of a stretch to refer to any car as having "zero emissions"... but that aside the marketing chaps have their
hearts in the right place.
After all there is huge potential for clean electricity via nuclear, wind, tidal, micro generation etc etc, whereas internal combustion engines will
always be unsustainable. So by moving to electric cars we get a moderate benefit now in terms of emissions and running costs, and the potential for
huge benefits in the future. By increasing the demand for electricity we also provide drivers to develop better ways of creating it.
Just my 2 pence.
[Edited on 18/3/10 by AdamR]
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Originally posted by vinny1275
We should all eat Kangaroo meat instead of beef. Cows emit methane, which released unburned into the atmosphere is 5 times worse than CO2 (burned methane, on the other hand is better). Roos don't emit methane, whereas cows and sheep do, and also take less energy (in terms of transportation and feeding, etc.) per kilo of meat than cows. And it tastes nice
Then, we can drive whatever cars we want!
I have seen that it will be a bargain 
at £20,000. Cant see mr Average swapping it for his sensible family Hatch at that price.
Also, the car comes without the batteries and you have to Lease them from Nissan.
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and also take less energy (in terms of transportation and feeding, etc.) per kilo of meat
But by eating them were reducing the number there are! Ok wed stop breeding if we didnt eat, but then where would the milk come from? HHMMMM might
need a bit more thinking that just simply stop eating
Plus we have cows... and they taste gooooood!
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Originally posted by AdamR
After all there is huge potential for clean electricity via nuclear, wind, tidal, micro generation etc etc, whereas internal combustion engines will always be unsustainable.
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Originally posted by boggle
whats the co2 emission of a person???
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Originally posted by boggle
whats the co2 emission of a person???
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Originally posted by 02GF74
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Originally posted by AdamR
After all there is huge potential for clean electricity via nuclear, wind, tidal, micro generation etc etc, whereas internal combustion engines will always be unsustainable.
I don't know the exact figure but I suspect the electricity in the UK that is generated by non gas or coal fired stations - same emissions as internal combusiton engine is probably 10% or less.
Then you forget all the resources and thus emissions to make all this stuff.
What I object to is the way the emissions to power the car i.e. power station are not mentioned.
Does that statement take into account the enormous transmission losses of electricity plus the resources required to beef up the electricity infrastructure??
Zero emissions cars are to reduce local air pollution (i.e. in cities) that is why the government is supposed to be pushing them. Mortality rate is
reduced by particulates (i.e. from smoky engines) for example by a few years (i.e. we on average live 1-2 years less than we could) , this is the
argument for Zero emission cars...
You can read my very sort report on particulates and human health p8-p11 if your interested.
linky
Other gas species emitted by internal combustion engines also have bad effects on health (NOx for example).
It has little do do with climate change.
Dan
[Edited on 18/3/10 by Bluemoon]
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Originally posted by cd.thomson
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Originally posted by 02GF74
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Originally posted by AdamR
After all there is huge potential for clean electricity via nuclear, wind, tidal, micro generation etc etc, whereas internal combustion engines will always be unsustainable.
I don't know the exact figure but I suspect the electricity in the UK that is generated by non gas or coal fired stations - same emissions as internal combusiton engine is probably 10% or less.
Then you forget all the resources and thus emissions to make all this stuff.
What I object to is the way the emissions to power the car i.e. power station are not mentioned.
Heared a similar thing echoed at work earlier, if my visit to radcliffe power station is anything to go by then they are significantly more efficient per kilo of fuel than individual internal combustion engines.
All 1,000 tonnes a day of it
so if you had everyone on pushbikes you would still have an emmision factor? after all there must be more people than cars???
and you still have to make the push bikes.....i bet that the emissions from making a pushbike are not minimal??
doesnt matter what we do, there will always be an emission issue, its all just government propagandy to make us get rid of cars and become like
robots, all the same, no individuality, no sense of self....
if your that worried about emissions that you need an electric car then your on your way to becoming a drone...
its all aload of nutsack in my opinion....and it is just my opinion....beleive what you want, but make the most of it, before that right has gone
too.....
( i feel much better now...)
At the end of the day unless we can find a way of capping the world population the human race is doomed anyway - emissions or not.
Disease and war in good measure are what's needed to cull the population back down to a sensible level. Possibly an infertility virus introduced
into the indigenous chav population would be a start.
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Originally posted by tegwin
Does that statement take into account the enormous transmission losses of electricity plus the resources required to beef up the electricity infrastructure??
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Originally posted by 02GF74
I don't know the exact figure but I suspect the electricity in the UK that is generated by non gas or coal fired stations - same emissions as internal combusiton engine is probably 10% or less.
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Originally posted by nick205
At the end of the day unless we can find a way of capping the world population the human race is doomed anyway - emissions or not.
Disease and war in good measure are what's needed to cull the population back down to a sensible level. Possibly an infertility virus introduced into the indigenous chav population would be a start.
I wouldn't get too excited about it. Its not coming to Sunderland here until 2013 and I've been in the plant all this week and theres no
buzz amounts the engineers.
8 hours to charge from a 3 pin plug or 15 mins for a 400V supply. Nissan plant is covered in wind turbines but they are small fry compared with what
they actually consume, then theres the £21M backhander from the government still embarassed by the dereliction of this area by Thatcher the witch.
The crunch is the predicted 20k price that does not include the batteries. They are a big liabilty and you will have to lease them from Nissan for
£350pm.
Although I love the idea of electric transport (anyone remember trams and milk floats?) I think I'll be sticking with me oil burner or may just
get another bike soon
Maybe we should put the kangaroos on pushbikes to show us how it's done . . .
I tried to catch a kangaroo with my car but look what happened . . .
[Edited on 18/3/10 by se7en]
I f***ing hate hippies
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Originally posted by 02GF74
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Originally posted by boggle
whats the co2 emission of a person???
a person can cycle from London to Birmingham on a Mars bar
Maybe we should all drive 1971 Datsuns..
Not as boring as it sounds Video Linky
I like electric vehicles, they kinda make sense, the battery tech however lets us down.
And I'd really rather not have a hybrid, after all, when your not using one engine, your lugging around the other...
Battery tech needs to improve a bit, but unfortunately all the batteries that are more suitible (LiIon/LiPo) are also more dangerous... But only about
as dangerous as driving around with a tank of explosive liquids under your car I guess...
As for everyone complaining about "oh but it takes ages to charge unless you have a 400v line into your house".. Er, well we probably all
will eventually. Also the leasing of batteries makes sense if you think about it, the battery pack probably costs around £1-3k, and I'm betting
the lease agreement says they'l replace it with a fresh pack every time it wears out too. They'll get WAY cheaper once proper mass
production gets under way on them.