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pekwah1 - 7/8/17 at 12:36 PM

So here's a question, if i wanted to take my car (currently no IVA) to an MOT place just down the road for me, i obviously can't drive it, but could i push it on a public road?

It's only about 50m down the road, so if i'm pushing it, i'm technically not driving it?

I'm sure the answer is probably no, although maybe a question to the plod...?

loggyboy - 7/8/17 at 12:42 PM

Insure it and drive it on VIN?

pekwah1 - 7/8/17 at 12:46 PM

But i can't legally drive it other than to and from an IVA test at the moment regardless of whether it's insured or not

loggyboy - 7/8/17 at 01:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by pekwah1
But i can't legally drive it other than to and from an IVA test at the moment regardless of whether it's insured or not


Depends on how you read this. (from IVA guide) here

Please remember that until the vehicle has been licensed and registered by DVLA, it may only be
driven to and from the above test appointment or, if the vehicle fails the examination, to and from a
pre-booked appointment to have relevant work done on the vehicle to allow it to pass the examination.
The presenter is responsible for ensuring that the vehicle has insurance cover and that it complies with
the requirements of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations and Road Vehicles Lighting
Regulations when driven under these circumstances.

Now the only issue is the fact it says 'if it fails' , but the trip to the MoT centre was to work on the car to get it to a level that would pass the examination, I would argue, even in court that would be sufficient reason.

WallerZero - 7/8/17 at 01:14 PM

It would fall under the same rules regarding cars without tax, you can't have any wheels touching the floor. Insuring and driving would be the only but you will need to check the insurer is ok with that in case anything happens. Last thing you want is the car you spent hours and hours on being taken off and crushed.

However, if you stuck the wheels on skates then I guess you could push it

pekwah1 - 7/8/17 at 01:16 PM

Yes i saw the rulings about to and from the IVA, and if it fails then to a garage etc, but technically that doesn't say beforehand....
i'll make some calls....

PS, like the suggestion of the skates, that could be quite hilarious!

HowardB - 7/8/17 at 02:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by pekwah1
So here's a question, if i wanted to take my car (currently no IVA) to an MOT place just down the road for me, i obviously can't drive it, but could i push it on a public road?

It's only about 50m down the road, so if i'm pushing it, i'm technically not driving it?

I'm sure the answer is probably no, although maybe a question to the plod...?


Reminds me of this,. clearly it's not a car if it is being pushed LOL

vid


nick205 - 7/8/17 at 04:21 PM

Can the garage not pick it up for you?

A lot of garages have means of transporting cars.

mike.williams1 - 7/8/17 at 04:49 PM

You could technially remove the propshaft .As it can't be propelled under its own power it would no longer be classed as a vehicle

gremlin1234 - 7/8/17 at 05:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nick205
Can the garage not pick it up for you?

A lot of garages have means of transporting cars.

I was going to ask does the garage have trade plates? so they could move it

bonzoronnie - 7/8/17 at 05:31 PM

+1 for trade plates

I have an A frame & would use that to tow to the garage.
I'll duck for cover now

NigeEss - 7/8/17 at 05:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bonzoronnie

I have an A frame & would use that to tow to the garage.
I'll duck for cover now


ian locostzx9rc2 - 7/8/17 at 06:45 PM

If it's genuinely 50 m down the road just push it there.

Sam_68 - 7/8/17 at 07:48 PM

If it's genuinely 50m down the road, what are the odds of the plod catching you driving it?

pekwah1 - 7/8/17 at 08:15 PM

Well the only problem is that the police station is practically opposite where I live so not very uncommon to have a cop car on that road....

stevebubs - 7/8/17 at 08:41 PM

Go in and ask for help pushing it ??

ian locostzx9rc2 - 7/8/17 at 08:59 PM

As said I'm sure there give you a push if you asked 😀

mark chandler - 7/8/17 at 09:11 PM

I insured my bike on its vin number and rode to the MOT, feels a bit odd without plates but as far as I know legal in this instance.

ianhurley20 - 7/8/17 at 09:53 PM

Perhaps I am missing the point - why on earth do you want to take it to a local garage? You don't need an MOT before - or after IVA - so ?????

AdrianH - 7/8/17 at 10:03 PM

A few guesses as to why.

Testing the brakes on the rollers possibly? But even then the brake rollers will not give brake balance unless they can use a force measurement on the pedal and repeat for both front and back.

Headlight alignment, going through it for play in joints, even to get the tracking and wheel alignment done, all are a bit hard in the home workshop.

Adrian

pekwah1 - 7/8/17 at 10:22 PM

It was actually noise and emissions....

Hopley89 - 7/8/17 at 10:24 PM

You will have to let me know how you get on with this, as i'm part way thought my build and would be easier for me
to drive my kit to the iva as i don't own a car trailer and the hassle of hiring one is just a head ake, so i'd like to
drive mine to iva but i'll speak to insurance company and see what they say too

pekwah1 - 7/8/17 at 11:14 PM

Driving to the Iva is fine, I've actually done that once before.
For the insurance company, just tell them you're going for Iva and insure it on the chassis number

ianhurley20 - 8/8/17 at 07:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by pekwah1
It was actually noise and emissions....


In the MOT they do not have a db meter sound test so it would only be opinion. Emissions - ok they do that but maybe a mobile tester would be a cheaper option who has suitable equipment?

coyoteboy - 8/8/17 at 11:50 AM

Stick it on wheel dollies and push it there. Anything else is illegal, technically. Removing parts from a car doesn't make it not a car.

SCAR - 8/8/17 at 12:23 PM

Whatever you decide to do take no notice of advice like, push it then your not driving it or take the spark plugs out so it doesn't run or remove the prop so it cant be driven etc. All nonsense. You could take the engine out and it would still be classed as a vehicle requiring tax and insurance.
Its obvious really as even cars parked up on the highway (or any place where the public has access) are required to have tax and insured irrespective of whether they run or not.
Suspended tow (two wheels off the ground) or trailer would be your best option.

pekwah1 - 8/8/17 at 12:38 PM

Haha, yeh i wasn't taking it seriously.... just wondered where i stand as i obviously cannot have tax or mot on the car, but do have insurance, but the IVA thing says i can only drive to and from the test, and then afterwards can take it to a garage to have work, no mention of before.

Hopley89 - 8/8/17 at 12:45 PM

Could you not speak to iva or dvla and ask the question?
as you could say it's to have the emissions, head lights, db ect checked
before the iva

jps - 8/8/17 at 12:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Hopley89
Could you not speak to iva or dvla and ask the question?
as you could say it's to have the emissions, head lights, db ect checked
before the iva


Although they may give an answer from DVLA or VOSA which is technically correct I would think it much effective to go into the previously mentioned Police Station and ask if you can speak to a Neighbourhood Officer who covers your area for some advice - ideally one with an interest in cars! Explain the situation and that you don't want to do anything wrong - if they tell you it'll be OK - ask if they can stick a note on their 'orders of the day' noticeboard or something on the day you propose to push the car up the road - just incase one person tells you it'll be OK, and another one catches you in the act! Obviously - if you ask for advice and they say 'no' don't try it anyway and hope you'll get away with it...

At the end of the day - the Police will be more interested in catching kids tearing about on uninsured motorbikes and people driving uninsured cars around day after day - than people who bother to ask their advice and are trying hard to stay on the right side of the law!

02GF74 - 8/8/17 at 07:38 PM

As already said you can't have it on the road unless going for via test... But could try the pavement perhaps?

I doubt going to police station to try to get exemption from the law will get you anywhere. Should get caught do you think the courts will let you off because you said Brian the pcso with the souped up fiesta said it was OK?

jps - 9/8/17 at 07:46 AM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
Should get caught do you think the courts will let you off because you said Brian the pcso with the souped up fiesta said it was OK?


No - but if Brian the PCSO is the person most likely to catch you in the act- it might be worth a try!