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Best way to cut tyres off wheels
R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 06:36 PM

What's the best/easiest way without making too much mess?

Cheers

davidwag - 13/11/09 at 06:38 PM

How about the obvious, go to a tyre company and get them to take them off for you?

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 06:39 PM

Ok.....what's the best FREE way?!

Steve G - 13/11/09 at 06:40 PM

They have to pay to dispose of the tyres though so will charge you at least £5 per wheel i recon. Still the best way though without risking damage to the wheel

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 06:45 PM

£5 per wheel, are you kidding me!!

02GF74 - 13/11/09 at 06:46 PM

I asked about this - please search - air saw was the consensus - all the way round then some cunning way to cut the bead without damageing the rim, I forget now how., . .. sill got mine to od.

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 06:49 PM

I was thinking my choices of weapon would be wood saw, angle grinder with plasma disc and finish off with a rotary tool on the wire rim....then chuck the tyres over next doors fence.

Steve G - 13/11/09 at 06:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
£5 per wheel, are you kidding me!!


Well i have had tyres removed and refitted after buying online and they charged £10 per wheel which i believe is quite typical. The tyre disposal will be a couple of quid of that so no not kidding. Its cutting the bead thats the hard part

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 06:53 PM

I have never paid more than £1 for disposal.

bmseven - 13/11/09 at 07:08 PM

errr. .... I always use tyre levers (Pick a pair up for £5 on ebay)

You can break the seal by gently driving over the tyre,,,,make sure you miss the rim

[Edited on 13/11/09 by bmseven]

londonsean69 - 13/11/09 at 07:09 PM

Unless you are firendly with a tyre fitter, you are limited in what you can do without possibly damaging your wheels.

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
I was thinking my choices of weapon would be wood saw, angle grinder with plasma disc and finish off with a rotary tool on the wire rim....then chuck the tyres over next doors fence.


What's a plasma disc??



quote:
Originally posted by Steve G

Well i have had tyres removed and refitted after buying online and they charged £10 per wheel which i believe is quite typical. The tyre disposal will be a couple of quid of that so no not kidding. Its cutting the bead thats the hard part


Yep, place near me that does part worns charges £10 to remove old, refit new with valve and balance, then dispose of old


quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
I have never paid more than £1 for disposal.


Well why not go back to this magical mystical place and let them do it for you if disposal is only a quid.

I do hope you were not serious about chucking it over someone's fence.

Sean

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 07:15 PM

Yes I am deadly serious about it, my neighbour will know it's me as he is into minis too, but i will just deny it. He can make a birdhouse or something out of them.

Shame the place i used to go to is about 4 hours drive away now!

I cant see why they should charge for disposal, someone is making a lot of money out of this somewhere, they probably all go to incinerator and produce energy so they should pay us!!

liam.mccaffrey - 13/11/09 at 07:20 PM

i have broken the bead before with a stack of concrete blocks and a plank of wood. then tyre levers.

no blood sweat or tears

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 07:21 PM

What is the 'bead' btw?

I assume it is where the tyre contacts the wheel?

londonsean69 - 13/11/09 at 07:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
Yes I am deadly serious about it, my neighbour will know it's me as he is into minis too, but i will just deny it. He can make a birdhouse or something out of them.

In that case I hope he shits through your letter box and you destroy your wheels trying to get the tyres off, because you were too cheap to shell out £20


quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagicI cant see why they should charge for disposal, someone is making a lot of money out of this somewhere, they probably all go to incinerator and produce energy so they should pay us!!


Why not? Not everyone else just flytips their old tyres.

To be perfectly honest, the UK has agreed to cut down on landfill and CO2. To do this is going to take vast sums of money.
As such, you paying for tyre disposal helps to cut down on landfill and CO2, although, to be perfectly honest, we are fighting a losing battle on climate change.

I'm not an eco-warrior by the way, I just work for a company very in touch with these things, and also in an industry that is one of the biggest carbon producers there is.

I can't wait to see how you will pay the 30% increase in your heating bills over the next few years, if you are too poor to spend £20 having some tyres changed.

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 07:28 PM

How can it cut down on CO2 when they are burning them?

MikeR - 13/11/09 at 07:34 PM

Current favourite with tyres is to shred them into little bits.

They then do a few things with them - one is to mix it with tar and make the stuff they put onto kids play grounds instead of tarmac / concrete, another is to use it as insulation. Plenty of applications - you just have to find them.

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 07:36 PM

Shredding them takes energy hence CO2 is produced, i want to know how paying my local garage to dispose of my tyres is cutting CO2 production...

Steve G - 13/11/09 at 07:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
I cant see why they should charge for disposal, someone is making a lot of money out of this somewhere, they probably all go to incinerator and produce energy so they should pay us!!


They are classified as controlled waste and there are numerous laws governing the disposal of old tyres (Environmental Protection Act 1990 for starters). The tyre fitting places have to pay specialist companies these days to dispose of old tyres and so charge us for it.

Daddylonglegs - 13/11/09 at 07:40 PM

One of the guys on our local club site posted some piccies of wheel removal DIY-style.

This is how he broke the bead.....


Wheel Off
Wheel Off

Once off, take them to your re-cycling centre. Ours has a skip for tyres

rusty nuts - 13/11/09 at 07:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
Ok.....what's the best FREE way?!


Use Makeeverythings fuel oil mix and burn them off

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 07:50 PM

Lol that's more like it!!

It's all very well being regulated and all that but i bet every single part of that chain is making plenty of money out of it. Do you think the garage that charges you a fiver to dispose of each tyre pays the next one down the line a fiver? Get real.

MikeR - 13/11/09 at 08:07 PM

no they probably pay 4 pounds and keep a pound to pay the person to do the admin, store the tyres on the land, hire the skip etc.

yes - it produces c02 to chop up the tyres, but so does digging hte raw material out of the ground that you need to replace the material the tyres are used for. This way only 1 thing is dug up and not two + its re-used therefore reducing its total 'cost' through its life.

londonsean69 - 13/11/09 at 08:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
How can it cut down on CO2 when they are burning them?

They don't burn them

quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
Current favourite with tyres is to shred them into little bits.

They then do a few things with them - one is to mix it with tar and make the stuff they put onto kids play grounds instead of tarmac / concrete, another is to use it as insulation. Plenty of applications - you just have to find them.

Exactly. Local stables near me has them down in the riding school instead of sand

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
Shredding them takes energy hence CO2 is produced, i want to know how paying my local garage to dispose of my tyres is cutting CO2 production...

Creating them takes CO2
Fitting them takes CO2 (power for compressor)
Delivering them create CO2
Driving to get them changed makes CO2

Burning them creates huge clouds of CO2, plus other, much nastier chemicals.

You are paying for them to be disposed of/recycled in an environmentally friendly way, rather than some pikey dumping a lorry load of burning tyres in your back garden

quote:
Originally posted by Steve G
They are classified as controlled waste and there are numerous laws governing the disposal of old tyres (Environmental Protection Act 1990 for starters). The tyre fitting places have to pay specialist companies these days to dispose of old tyres and so charge us for it.


Exactly, old oil has to be paid for, your household rubbish has to be paid for by you (council tax), everything has to be paid for.

The firms that do this are not a charity, they have seen an opening in the market and gone for it.

quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
Once off, take them to your re-cycling centre. Ours has a skip for tyres

Same here, plus old batteries, scrap metal etc. Yes, they make a profit out of me taking it to them, but scrappies won't deal with small household amounts usually

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
Lol that's more like it!!

It's all very well being regulated and all that but i bet every single part of that chain is making plenty of money out of it. Do you think the garage that charges you a fiver to dispose of each tyre pays the next one down the line a fiver? Get real.


Do you work for a charity? Do you take home just enough to cover your living expenses and outgoings?

Why should anyone else?

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 08:16 PM

Ok so if what you are saying is true and there is a 'cost reduction' in producing whatever is produced by using the waste tyres and there is also a 'cost increase' to the customer that buys the tyre in the first place as they are now paying for disposal, there is a lot of money both being saved and being made, so it's us the customers (mugs) that are paying for it!

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 08:20 PM

No i dont work for a charity, but i dont see why i should pay over the odds for something that i dont see as value for money.

If you go back and read my original post it was about how to remove the tyres from the wheels but somehow we have got into a debate about disposal.

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 08:25 PM

Another thing to think about, do you really think that garages (that have one of the most notorious reputations for ripping people off) would not make money out of this by some other unscrupulous means? How do you know where the tyres have gone?

The whole idea of this forum is so that people can save money by doing things themselves and helping each other out and to avoid getting everything done by a garage at extortionate prices. I think everyone has a right to get a good service for their hard earned cash.

londonsean69 - 13/11/09 at 08:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
Ok so if what you are saying is true and there is a 'cost reduction' in producing whatever is produced by using the waste tyres and there is also a 'cost increase' to the customer that buys the tyre in the first place as they are now paying for disposal, there is a lot of money both being saved and being made, so it's us the customers (mugs) that are paying for it!


Nope, the cost of production is the same.

The 'whole life' cost is reduced.

If you get a puncture, you don't replace the car. You try and have it repaired. If it's not possible, then the tyre has served it's useful life (for a car owner)

If that tyre can then be used for something else, like rubber chippings, it saves having to make 'virgin' rubber chippings AND burning/burying said tyre.

That's where the saving comes in.

I vaguely remember it takes something like 95% less energy to recycle Aluminium, than it does to produce it in the first place.

As an idea of who much energy it takes to make aluminium, many countries ship boatloads of aluminium to Iceland for processing to take advantage of their cheaper power (they use geothermal energy).

I have to pay 'energy surcharge' when I get welding gas, big deal, it's not much.

Where do you think power companies are getting the money to develop new, cleaner technology?? Rising power bills and government grants, which are your taxes.

I understand the frustration, in that you think you are paying to have rubbish taken away, but if you want to build a plant to shred tyres then go for it, it's not cheap.

Companies are soon going to be hit with 'carbon bills' based on the amount of CO2 they produce. This again will lead to increased costs for just about everything.

It's all our own fault. We wanted everything cheaper/faster/whatever, leading to processes that were not necessarily the best for the long tern

Steve G - 13/11/09 at 08:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic

If you go back and read my original post it was about how to remove the tyres from the wheels but somehow we have got into a debate about disposal.


"then chuck the tyres over next doors fence." See - you started the discussion about disposal on page 1!!

Simple fact is its just one of a number of "green" measures that have to be paid for one way or another. Whether we see it as value for money or not is besides the point - its the way things are now (and the penalties for fly tipping are rather large)!! Personally i am all for it and see it as no different to recycling aluminium, plastics etc from household waste which we pay for through council tax.

I guess your best (cheapest / legal) option looks to be buy some tyre levers and take them to your local recycling centre.

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 08:31 PM

No company is in business to lose money, they are all making a good profit out of it as you say, that is my point.

londonsean69 - 13/11/09 at 08:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
No i dont work for a charity, but i dont see why i should pay over the odds for something that i dont see as value for money.

If you go back and read my original post it was about how to remove the tyres from the wheels but somehow we have got into a debate about disposal.


Well, £2 for them to get rid of a tyre is not bad value, especially when you consider at the weekends the queue for the dump can be 30 mins. I value my time at more than £4 and hour.
Then again, chucking it over you neighbours fence only takes a second. Then again, I actually quite like my neighbours.

The reason the thread drifted was your intended method of disposal.

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
Another thing to think about, do you really think that garages (that have one of the most notorious reputations for ripping people off) would not make money out of this by some other unscrupulous means? How do you know where the tyres have gone?

The whole idea of this forum is so that people can save money by doing things themselves and helping each other out and to avoid getting everything done by a garage at extortionate prices. I think everyone has a right to get a good service for their hard earned cash.


I have never used a main dealer, only back street type garages, and have never, ever, been ripped off.

As for waste disposal, obviously there will always be dodgy places, same goes for everything.
Despite the mets good intentions there are still bent coppers (apologies to any decent coppers on here).
To be fair, it is actually easier for a tyre place to have someone collect a few hundred tyres, pay them a couple of hundred quid, than take the time/risk/effort of dumping them. I have no doubt it goes on however.

This forum is about building 'locost' kit cars, although some are not exactly locost. Having said that, there uis a wealth of knowledge and information on here relating to just about anything.

Your right, you should get what you pay for.

As for your original post, how to get a tyre off......
I removed a pair of motorbike tyres that had been on for 5 years. I used a sharp edged spade to break the seal (the wheels were scrap BTW) then a pair of 24" tyre levers to do the removal.
However, bikes tyres have a larger sidewall, although it depends upon the profile of the tyre.

Low profiles are a pig, even with the right machine. Took a pair of fitters 15 minutes to get one fitted on my motor (40 profile) an d included multiple goes at inflating, deflating, beating with big hammers etc.

Still only cost £10 for the full service, valve, balance fitting etc. And disposal was included in the price, now thats value.

Forgot to add, if you choose the "jumping up and down on shovel wedged in the bead" method, make sure the other side of the tyre is tied down to something. It really hurts when it flips up and smashed you in the shins/knees

[Edited on 13/11/09 by londonsean69]

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 08:39 PM

That was a joke but it seems to have been wasted on some people!

Simple fact is it's easy to use the guilt angle and make people believe that if they pay X then you are doing your bit for the environment.

All this fuss over vehicles fuel consumption and taxing you for having 250g/km is total nonsense, the savings in CO2 by being made to feel guilty and buying a new car is a drop in the ocean and will make no difference whatsoever, but people are gullible and they just fall for it. It's all about making money.

Steve G - 13/11/09 at 08:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
The whole idea of this forum is so that people can save money by doing things themselves and helping each other out and to avoid getting everything done by a garage at extortionate prices. I think everyone has a right to get a good service for their hard earned cash.


There's surely a limit to where doing things the cheapest possible way ends though. It'd be cheaper for me to chuck used engine oil down the drain but i wouldnt do it. Personally i'd rather pay £20 or so to have tyres removed for me knowing my expensive alloys are going to stand less chance of being damaged rather than spend a couple of hours messing about removing them myself, and i dont have to then drive further afield to get them disposed of myself.

londonsean69 - 13/11/09 at 08:44 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
That was a joke but it seems to have been wasted on some people!

Simple fact is it's easy to use the guilt angle and make people believe that if they pay X then you are doing your bit for the environment.

All this fuss over vehicles fuel consumption and taxing you for having 250g/km is total nonsense, the savings in CO2 by being made to feel guilty and buying a new car is a drop in the ocean and will make no difference whatsoever, but people are gullible and they just fall for it. It's all about making money.


I smiley after it might have made people see it as a joke, or possibly saying it was a joke a bit earlier in the thread. It's very hard to express emotion over a voiceless medium such as a forum

It's not all about money. The money that big firms are investing in carbon management is phenomenal. Our company gets some of this money.

The actual cost compared to the long term environmental damage IS a drop in the ocean.

This planet is wrecked.
We ARE running out of oil
Global warming has been accelerated
Natural resources are running out
There are far too many people and the population is growing all the time.

This leads to a huge demand for cheap products. These cheap products are very costly in terms of environmental damage.

I don't feel guilty about the carbon/waste/whatever I produce, but I do try to minimise it, and where I can I use recycled/reclaimed material (such as a Ford Sierra)

If you really want to, just cut the tyres off with a cutting disc on a grinder, I did this once, it stink as the rubber burns.
Then take said scrap tyres to the tip.

Job done, you're happy because you haven't spent money on having them removed (although it will cost you, electricity bill, time & petrol)
Everyone else (ie the government and greenies) is happy as they have a tyre to shred and put on a kids playground.

[Edited on 13/11/09 by londonsean69]

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 08:45 PM

That's not too bad then i suppose.

I don't care about cutting the old tyres up as they are knackered so the thing about breaking the seal maybe doesn't apply, i was intending to just cut through the wire/metal part with a dremel type small cutting disc, will it work?

londonsean69 - 13/11/09 at 08:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
That's not too bad then i suppose.

I don't care about cutting the old tyres up as they are knackered so the thing about breaking the seal maybe doesn't apply, i was intending to just cut through the wire/metal part with a dremel type small cutting disc, will it work?


When I did it, the hardest part was the bead. It basically bonds itself onto the rim.

A dremel would take ages. I would use a 4.5" grinder to cut across the tyre, also most of the way down to the rim. Then use the dremel, very carefully to cut through the bead on the rim. Make sure you don't damage the rim otherwise the new tyres might not seal.

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 08:55 PM

I am very big on recycling and not wasting anything, what i am averse to is being ripped off (no matter what the absolute cost is, that is irrelevant) and i get a lot of satisfaction from doing a job myself.

The whole thing about CO2 is another debate and something that people will probably never agree on but I am a scientist with a PhD in Chemistry so you are wasting your time trying to convince me about any of the environmental stuff. I have worked in the petroleum industry and also in the automotive industry for a long time so i know all the tricks these companies play whilst still trying to 'look good'

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 09:06 PM

That is what i meant, just use the dremel on the last bit.

londonsean69 - 13/11/09 at 09:09 PM

I get a lot of job satisfaction from doing stuff myself, but there are limits. For me at least.

It's your call, but at the end of the day, you need to dispose of that tyre in a way that you are comfortable with.

Personally, for the few minutes it takes a garage to do it for me, I will gladly give them £5 a tyre.

Saves me getting skinned knuckles, bruised shins etc. Plus, I hate queueing for the dump

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 09:16 PM

I will probably make wallpaper out of it for next years Halloween party..

MikeR - 13/11/09 at 09:21 PM

I'd like to have a go and will happily waste a sunny afternoon doing so (haven't bothered yet but have a few tyres to have a go with soon)

Once i've done it once ...... i'll be in the garage asking someone to do it for me. I'm a bit silly like that, i like to know how much of a bargain i'm getting by wasting my life trying it once.

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 09:33 PM

Same here, it's not always about the money but the enjoyment you get out of it. There's no harm trying it once and making an idiot out of yourself, it's all a learning experience!

zilspeed - 13/11/09 at 10:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bmseven

You can break the seal by gently driving over the tyre,,,,make sure you miss the rim

[Edited on 13/11/09 by bmseven]


Ohh, that takes me back.
that's a technique that my late father used to use all the time to change tyres or fix punctures.
A rubber mallet is also handy for 'encouraging' the tyre over the rim to finally get it off. That and a couple of tyres levers of course.

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 10:24 PM

Would big spoons work?

adithorp - 13/11/09 at 10:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
Another thing to think about, do you really think that garages (that have one of the most notorious reputations for ripping people off) would not make money out of this by some other unscrupulous means? How do you know where the tyres have gone?

The whole idea of this forum is so that people can save money by doing things themselves and helping each other out and to avoid getting everything done by a garage at extortionate prices. I think everyone has a right to get a good service for their hard earned cash.



Well I was going to say if you bring them around to work on a Saturday morning I'd take them off for you... but I don't think I will now.

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 10:55 PM

No offence intended to you in any way but it is not my fault they have that reputation.

londonsean69 - 13/11/09 at 11:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
Would big spoons work?


lol

TBH, for someone who is meant to have a PHD in Chemistry, you are actually pretty stupid.

We have a lot of engineers at work like that, PHD in fluid dynamics, that sort of nonsense, yet can barely tie their shoe laces.

I think working in any sort of industrial environment with you would actually be downright dangerous. I do hope you are confined to a little blast proof corner of a lab somewhere

prawnabie - 13/11/09 at 11:24 PM

I charge the same to fit a tyre to a bare rim as I do to remove and fit a new one. I have the tyre machine so its my right to charge what I like for the service.

Im sure it would be the same is the boot was on the other foot too!

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 11:43 PM

You got it wrong there mate, you just happen to have no sense of humour, so tell me why big spoons wouldn't work..

prawnabie - 13/11/09 at 11:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
You got it wrong there mate, you just happen to have no sense of humour, so tell me why big spoons wouldn't work..


ask uri geller?

R1minimagic - 13/11/09 at 11:51 PM

I want the Registered Idiot to tell me, Uri Geller is probably not so safe with those things..

BTW - I have never had any major explosions in the lab so i think i am perfectly safe

[Edited on 14/11/09 by R1minimagic]

Peteff - 13/11/09 at 11:59 PM

We used to put a plank on the tyre with the end up to the rim then drive up it to break the bead then use tyre levers to fetch it off the rim. You need to do both sides in a few places so it's a long process but ultimately satisfying when it works

[Edited on 13/11/09 by Peteff]

MikeR - 14/11/09 at 12:11 AM

So does that mean if i refurnished some alloy wheels I know someone i can trust to fit the rubber?

(and can you do it on a monday night between trying to steal the credit for figuring out how the uprights fit together and ignoring my rants on the environment?)

londonsean69 - 14/11/09 at 12:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by R1minimagic
You got it wrong there mate, you just happen to have no sense of humour, so tell me why big spoons wouldn't work..


Well, it would all depend on the size of the spoon, plus what material they are made from.

Then again, you still need to actually break the bead.

As for being the registered idiot, I had a very similar comment about the avatar earlier.

If I put registered genius no-one would believe it, as avatars are meant to be a little bit of fun.

I will, once again, point out, that the internet makes it very hard to express emotion. A little smiley, or a "LOL" might make people think you are joking.

Scarily, I don't think you are.

Here's an idea for you, it might work, it might not.

Hook the tyre up to your compressor and just put 10 bar in it. Should blow it clean off the rim.

Even better, if you know any divers, hook it up to their compressor, because 232bar will definitely shift it.

R1minimagic - 14/11/09 at 12:18 AM

Are you talking to me?!

londonsean69 - 14/11/09 at 12:20 AM

Just so everyone feels better, I've changed my avatar. Who else is in this club?? There must be a few.

Although, I haven't paid the fee in years

[Edited on 14/11/09 by londonsean69]

blakep82 - 14/11/09 at 01:05 AM

lol a lot of arguing going on today

Steve G - 14/11/09 at 01:39 AM

quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
lol a lot of arguing going on today


Very much "one vs the rest" on this subject!!! Simple answer to the OP - do whatever the hell you like and dont bother asking in future!!!! You've proved yourself to be a moron and quite frankly if you want to risk your alloys then i hope you slip and damage one with your cutting disk. Dont expect us to be nice if your next thread is "i've managed to damage the rim of my alloy - what do i do to repair it??" £20 will seem the bargain of the century if you damage a rim but if you are determined to do it then go for it.

BenB - 14/11/09 at 11:50 AM

I'd pay to have the tyre removed at my local garage and then say I'd take the tyres away. Paint 'em up, fill them with compost and grow spuds in them. When you need to earth up you just add another tyres on the pile and a load of compost....

How green is that

Confused but excited. - 14/11/09 at 11:52 AM

To get back on topic....Jeez guys I haven't seen flaming like that for a while. have I missed something?........anyway. See this thread: http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=117897

R1minimagic - 14/11/09 at 12:21 PM

If I damage anything, that's my problem and i have learned the hard way so don't worry about it.

Cheers for the guys who actually posted some constructive comments, as for the rest, you need to seriously loosen up!

Liam - 14/11/09 at 12:56 PM

Smart people learn from their mistakes. Very smart people learn from other people's mistakes. I've cut tyres off wheels before when I was too much of a tight arse to pay for it. Takes bloody ages and is hard work. Typical case of trying to do a job without the right equipment. I can assure you there is no satisfaction, let alone enjoyment, to be gleaned from the task. Tyre removal and disposal is something I'm very happy to pay for - like having my bins emptied, and living in a house with a flushing toilet. Don't bother wasting your time.

liam

[Edited on 14/11/09 by Liam]