You can be massively competitive and not act like a tw@t is the point I'm trying to make
Undoubtedly fast but....................
Embarrassingly immature selfish and childish, what a poor loser and sportsman.
Vettel not far behind...................
Only my opinion of course!
Why? If you enjoy losing then generally you will lose!
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Originally posted by daniel mason
Why? If you enjoy losing then generally you will lose!
Valentino Rossi
Danny Pedrosa
Shane Byrne
Alex Lowes
Lose races because they enjoy it?
Checkout their demeanor after being defeated in races and championships.
Did you say the same about senna?
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Originally posted by sdh2903
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Originally posted by daniel mason
Why? If you enjoy losing then generally you will lose!
No it's called sportsmanship and class and as as much as I'm a Lewis fan he's displaying neither. If I was his race engineer I would be telling him to quit bleating on the radio and get on with it!!!
Mega fast, talented, individual, had capacity beyond driving round in circles.........
Appears to have shown interest in the bigger picture i.e. safety for all drivers, the under privileged in Brazil .....
But some darker sides re: sportsmanship ( having Prost off at Suzuka to win the title), and allegedly an amazing amount of self belief , and some
reliance on religion whilst driving.
I'd hedge my bets that if EVERY driver drove the same car then him or possibly alonso would be victorious! He did t have mega talented engineers
when he was multiple kart champ (although will no doubt have had a good seat)
I couldn't.believe it when the s/c came out and both Mercedes drove past pit entrance. If that were me I'd be going nuts too!
[Edited on 25/5/14 by daniel mason]
I know when I played competitive sport I'd do anything to win, whatever the cost to myself, or any individual! Not saying its correct, it's
just the way it was. There's a few drivers; Schumacher,senna etc that would do anything anything to win.(take someone out to guarantee they
couldn't win. Park the car half way round a corner to block the track)
It's always a difficult one, but I'd do the same if in the same position
I have no issues with competitiveness, however being competitive and being a sulky wee shite are 2 separate entities. Over the course of the season I feel Hamilton will have the edge over Nico and will probably win the championship. If he keeps stropping and sulking he won't get anywhere.
He feels wronged, which if I was him, would feel exactly the same. I think its quite refreshing to see honest opinions rather than pr'd lovey lovey rubbish.
If you want an example of class in F1, take a look at Daniel ricciardo. Always has a huge smile on his face, even after disqualification at his home Grand Prix, he's in a team where he probably knows he's the number 2. He's just got his head down and is kicking the arse of his 4 time world champion team mate. I just hope one day he goes one step further than his compatriot webber and wins the title.
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Originally posted by loggyboy
He feels wronged, which if I was him, would feel exactly the same. I think its quite refreshing to see honest opinions rather than pr'd lovey lovey rubbish.
He hasn't won anything though! Not saying he won't. As he's doing really well but no point smiling too much with only a couple of
podiums to his name!
Hopefully he will one day win something as he seems a decent guy. But I agree with loggy. He's not wrapped up in pr, speaks his mind and wants to
win!
He hasn't won anything though! Not saying he won't. As he's doing really well but no point smiling too much with only a couple of
podiums to his name!
Hopefully he will one day win something as he seems a decent guy. But I agree with loggy. He's not wrapped up in pr, speaks his mind and wants to
win!
Yes I know he hasn't won anything but it's refreshing to see someone as humble and appreciative. Lewis is just acting like a spoilt brat.
He's amazingly paid, in the best car by a mile, a fit mrs and is amazingly talented. Instead of moaning just get on with it.
You can be massively competitive and not act like a tw@t is the point I'm trying to make
I didn't think he was acting like a tw@t! A world title can hinge on the smallest mistake! A bad pit stop, driver error, wrong strategy, bad call
from the engineer!
They SHOULD have pitted him as soon as the accident happend as the safety car was certain. Eps erg should have been pitted too and if he'd have
lost the race, would have moaned a bit too.
Lewis has a good chance of winning a world title this year and possibly for years to come but everything needs to run smoothly! As you can tell
I'm biased towards Hamilton, or anyone talented and desperate to win
I see your point but what if they had pitted and no safety car emerged? They would have looked like complete muppets then. I agree at Monaco it was highly likely but not a certainty. He would have really been moaning then!!
It was a certainty though! Debris everywhere and the car beeched.
It's like a footballer in a World Cup final where your winning the game with a minute to go. Your. Defending on your goal line. Do you handball
it to save a goal knowing your getting a red card and the opposition have a pen? Of course you do. There's a chance they will miss. Still
cheating!
[Edited on 25/5/14 by daniel mason]
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
My view is if you have the talent, equipment and correct attitude that should be enough over the course of the season. Throwing toys out of the pram
and barely smiling when your second on the podium just makes you look a bit of a dick in my eyes.
Not smiling when second makes you a winner in my eyes! First is everything to these guys
I like to call this the Andy Murray paradox. Lose badly and your're a miserable sulk, lose with a smile and you aren't dedicated enough.
It's lose/lose with the British media and the plebs.
Just be happy that a British driver in a British car with a British engine are showing the world the way.
A British driver in a British car with a british engine acting like a spoilt brat, let's show the world what us Brits are all about?? Really?
Just a plebs viewpoint.......
Grow up. The man is an Elite sportsman who wants to win above all else...and he has to have the attitude to do that. Don't forget he drove most of the last section of the race with one eye shut and still held the Red Bull behind him.....try driving with one eye next time you are out in the Kit!
It's all in the mentality. Lewis HATES to loose. Sure he could be a little more falsely cognisant of his team mate (and others) and put a brave face on it, but that's not him! My son is fortunate enough to be a professional footballer. He is an absolute nightmare to be around if he or the team have had a less than perfect Saturday afternoon. I used to try to modify his behaviour a little when he was younger, but wining is such an important part of who he is, it's impossible to change him. Lewis is just he same!
Haven't even seen the race but IMHO opinion after qualifying he acted like a knob and just walked away from his teammate without congratulating
him and then was a sulky twat in the interview afterwards.
Having said that I'm biased because I've not liked him since day one although if his missus played her cards right she could have me
^^^^ exactly what he said ! !
I'm a massive Lewis fan, his aggressive driving style really reignited my interest in F1 years ago.
I've defended him on here a number of times.
I'm sure he'll be world champion this year, and I'm looking forward to that.
However I've seen traits in Lewis over the last 2 or 3 races that I don't like.
I've been incredibly competitive in the sports I have been part of, rugby, martial arts, motor racing - albeit at amateur level, but never forgot
manners.
Congratulating the winner, shaking hands etc shows you are the bigger man especially in contravercial circumstances.
You don't have like the people you work with, I'm sure most of us have some of them, but you should be professional and courteous.
Manners cost nothing.
Let the driving do the talking.
If i remember rightly. When Nico was beaten to pole, and beaten in the race he acted near enough in the same manner. No congrats, no emotion. He just
has a different way of expressing it when interviewed.
This feeling between them has been like this since Bahrain when Nico used an engine setting he was not meant to use to get more power from the engine.
Lewis returned the favour in Spain, hence the bad feeling between them at the moment.
They are racers, they aim to win and thats it, second is no good to them.
What everyone has to go from is the media coverage of it. They love an inter-team battle, twisting words, only showing parts of an interview that are
interesting. Half the things the media are saying probably didnt happen, all based on hear say....
Go back to the Senna/Prost feud.... listen to some of the interviews, they are far worse than anything these days. There was no publicity training
back then! And if you think Senna "dealt with it on track" like the media say, then i suggest you have a look back at some of his
interviews!
Saying that, look at a few Prost interviews.... you think lewis is a child?? check some of the things out he used to say!
What I'm trying to say is that its no different to how it used to be, its a highly competitive extremely popular formula, with one of the largest
media coverages in the world. It would be exactly the same 15-20 years ago if the media coverage/social media/forums were as popular and readily
available as they are today.
I am also not a Lewis fan hes a whinger, and is always complaing about someone or some other related problem, if defeated
he must be known as the second Alonso !
He also sulks like a girl
But at a track like Monaco, whoever is in front from the Pole, HAS to win unless they cock up or break the car, as overtaking is pretty well zero
So, had he worked harder on Saturday, and not left it untill the last lap to run a flyer, he would of been on pole, and hence won the race (in
theory)
I like Nico, who seems to have a much nicer attitude, hope he wins the title
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Originally posted by jeffw
Grow up. The man is an Elite sportsman who wants to win above all else...and he has to have the attitude to do that. Don't forget he drove most of the last section of the race with one eye shut and still held the Red Bull behind him.....try driving with one eye next time you are out in the Kit!
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Originally posted by sdh2903
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Originally posted by jeffw
Grow up. The man is an Elite sportsman who wants to win above all else...and he has to have the attitude to do that. Don't forget he drove most of the last section of the race with one eye shut and still held the Red Bull behind him.....try driving with one eye next time you are out in the Kit!
Grow up! For having an opinion?
When your competing Jeff, are you a complete Pratt if you lose or do you have a bit of class and congratulate the winner?
Same principles of sportsmanship apply in my book, plastic pot or not
No one can doubt Niki Lauda's credentials as a driver and sportsman, he's obviously not impressed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27569287
http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/18227/9326398/Lauda-has-issue-with-Hamilton-s-mood
I'm not really a Hamilton fan but I've warmed to him a little over the years as he has matured a bit. However, he has an uncanny habit of
reminding me every so often that he is definitely not someone who I would ever be able to get along with were our paths to cross. Too much
"gangsta man". Too much of a legend in his own mind. Too many self-comparisons to Senna.
I'm also a very competitive person (Badminton, Squash, Racketball, Tennis, BJJ, Karting etc.) and have competed at one time or another in all
these sports. I hate to lose! Period! I have thrown racquets around, shouted at myself, even hit myself on the leg with my racquet sometimes in the
heat of battle. I have been beaten by the better player many times and have lost matches I should have won a few times as well. I have played people
who I have liked and respected and also those who I have disliked. However, I have never allowed the anger or disappointment I have felt about my own
performance or that of others to affect my sportsmanship in the way Hamilton displayed this past weekend.
What Hamilton has yet to learn is that the game starts and ends far away from the venue. It starts and ends in the minds of the players. Rosberg is
undoubtedly playing mind games and so far he appears to be showing Hamilton a clean pair of heels in that department. Nico was clearly disappointed in
recent races but he turned that negative emotion into a positive attitude where he demanded more of himself. I won't get into the whole yellow
flag business but on balance I don't think this was intentional and he was cleared by the stewards after all. What I think he did do very
intentionally is make the most of the resulting situation by winding Lewis up no end just by being happy and celebrating. What Lewis should have done
is take all the fuel from that fire by being polite and humble ("well done, I'll get you next time old boy!" ) yet focussed and
determined for the race. That's what Nico had done previously and it is far better than letting your opponent see your wound and let them twist
the knife in it. I even heard that Lewis was complaining to the team that Nico playing keepie-uppie with his football was making too much noise on the
garage wall and was breaking his concentration! Really?? I'm surprised he didn't call the police and try to get an ASBO issued...
Nico's a smart guy and Lewis is going to have to up his gamesmanship a notch if he's going to win the WDC this year. He has the speed to win
but he definitely needs a bit more guile.
[Edited on 26/5/2014 by craig1410]
I do not really see the problem here... All team mates moan and winge, the only difference here is they (the media) seem to be broadcasting most of
Hamiltons messages and very little from other teams.
Vettal constantly winged about Webber but i dont see people jumping on that band wagon.
Fact is drivers winge but it's down to the media that make it look like a problem.
[Edited on 5/26/2014 by DRC INDY 7]
these aren't "normal people" like us otherwise any of us could be competing on the F1 track - so is it right to judge them by the same
standards?
they put their lives at risk to be at the top of their sport so if LH felt that his chance of being pole was taken away (I am no expert on F1 but read
that pole at monaco almost guarantees a win), I see no reason why he should not show his disappointment and sulk.
as already said, he can ofcourse be more sportmanslike but I am not aware of this being a requirement to compete in F1, uiltimately it is perfromance
on the track that counts, not personality.
^^^ and wot he said.
We in Britain should be cheering him on, it will be a long time before we get a British driver with his talent. (I could be totally wrong here so
let's wait and see)
[Edited on 26/5/14 by 02GF74]
I don't think the media have over-inflated the spat between Hamilton and Rosberg on this occasion. There is clearly a big problem brewing and
Hamilton is the one who is inflating it by saying things like "we're not friends" and implying foul play, despite Rosberg trying to
play it down and "move on".
Also, I totally disagree about the last post talking about these not being "normal people" like us. Competition is just as fierce at all
levels in my experience whether that be in motor sport or martial arts or other sports. When I started my own IT business I had to give up practising
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu because the risk of breaking my fingers, wrists, knees or neck were too high given that it would directly prevent me from working
and I wasn't able to afford insurance to cover lost earnings at that point. I hope to go back to it soon though as I have realised I was fitter
and stronger and less susceptible to other injuries due to my BJJ training. I have seen the same thing on the squash court with people, including
myself, playing to the point of collapse rather than lose.
A great example of a fierce competitor and graceful loser is Roger Federer. For him it is even worse because not only is he a competitive sportsman
but he also sees his sport as an art form and as such there can never be perfection, only the pursuit of perfection. For him to lose a match in a
sport he loves like Tennis must cause great pain but have you ever seen him react badly? Has he ever been anything but utterly gracious in defeat?
Rafa Nadal is very similar as are many of the tennis players in fact.
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Originally posted by craig1410
I don't think the media have over-inflated the spat between Hamilton and Rosberg on this occasion. There is clearly a big problem brewing and Hamilton is the one who is inflating it by saying things like "we're not friends" and implying foul play, despite Rosberg trying to play it down and "move on".
Also, I totally disagree about the last post talking about these not being "normal people" like us. Competition is just as fierce at all levels in my experience whether that be in motor sport or martial arts or other sports. When I started my own IT business I had to give up practising Brazilian Jiu Jitsu because the risk of breaking my fingers, wrists, knees or neck were too high given that it would directly prevent me from working and I wasn't able to afford insurance to cover lost earnings at that point. I hope to go back to it soon though as I have realised I was fitter and stronger and less susceptible to other injuries due to my BJJ training. I have seen the same thing on the squash court with people, including myself, playing to the point of collapse rather than lose.
A great example of a fierce competitor and graceful loser is Roger Federer. For him it is even worse because not only is he a competitive sportsman but he also sees his sport as an art form and as such there can never be perfection, only the pursuit of perfection. For him to lose a match in a sport he loves like Tennis must cause great pain but have you ever seen him react badly? Has he ever been anything but utterly gracious in defeat? Rafa Nadal is very similar as are many of the tennis players in fact.
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Originally posted by DRC INDY 7
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Originally posted by craig1410
I don't think the media have over-inflated the spat between Hamilton and Rosberg on this occasion. There is clearly a big problem brewing and Hamilton is the one who is inflating it by saying things like "we're not friends" and implying foul play, despite Rosberg trying to play it down and "move on".
Also, I totally disagree about the last post talking about these not being "normal people" like us. Competition is just as fierce at all levels in my experience whether that be in motor sport or martial arts or other sports. When I started my own IT business I had to give up practising Brazilian Jiu Jitsu because the risk of breaking my fingers, wrists, knees or neck were too high given that it would directly prevent me from working and I wasn't able to afford insurance to cover lost earnings at that point. I hope to go back to it soon though as I have realised I was fitter and stronger and less susceptible to other injuries due to my BJJ training. I have seen the same thing on the squash court with people, including myself, playing to the point of collapse rather than lose.
A great example of a fierce competitor and graceful loser is Roger Federer. For him it is even worse because not only is he a competitive sportsman but he also sees his sport as an art form and as such there can never be perfection, only the pursuit of perfection. For him to lose a match in a sport he loves like Tennis must cause great pain but have you ever seen him react badly? Has he ever been anything but utterly gracious in defeat? Rafa Nadal is very similar as are many of the tennis players in fact.
Whether you agree or not i do not care, the fact is the media are playing this like a banjo and no matter what me are you say will change this.
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by DRC INDY 7
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Originally posted by craig1410
I don't think the media have over-inflated the spat between Hamilton and Rosberg on this occasion. There is clearly a big problem brewing and Hamilton is the one who is inflating it by saying things like "we're not friends" and implying foul play, despite Rosberg trying to play it down and "move on".
Also, I totally disagree about the last post talking about these not being "normal people" like us. Competition is just as fierce at all levels in my experience whether that be in motor sport or martial arts or other sports. When I started my own IT business I had to give up practising Brazilian Jiu Jitsu because the risk of breaking my fingers, wrists, knees or neck were too high given that it would directly prevent me from working and I wasn't able to afford insurance to cover lost earnings at that point. I hope to go back to it soon though as I have realised I was fitter and stronger and less susceptible to other injuries due to my BJJ training. I have seen the same thing on the squash court with people, including myself, playing to the point of collapse rather than lose.
A great example of a fierce competitor and graceful loser is Roger Federer. For him it is even worse because not only is he a competitive sportsman but he also sees his sport as an art form and as such there can never be perfection, only the pursuit of perfection. For him to lose a match in a sport he loves like Tennis must cause great pain but have you ever seen him react badly? Has he ever been anything but utterly gracious in defeat? Rafa Nadal is very similar as are many of the tennis players in fact.
Whether you agree or not i do not care, the fact is the media are playing this like a banjo and no matter what me are you say will change this.
Oh well, I guess that's me put in my place...was that you giving an example of petulance by any chance? If so then this is me giving an example of how to let that wash over me.
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Originally posted by DRC INDY 7
Let that be a lesson then..
I for one don't care if 'there's a lot at stake' or if 'F1 drivers are not normal people'. Lewis Hamilton is a sulky spoilt brat. He always has been. Yeah he's talented but that's not a excuse.
http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/18227/9331844/Hamilton-should-apologise-Hakkinen
Another former World Champion, John Surtees, agrees with the Finn and was far from impressed by Hamilton's behavior.
"I have no doubt about Lewis Hamilton's driving ability, but I didn't like what I saw and heard from Monaco," Surtees wrote in his
Motor Sport magazine column.
"I can understand the frustration Lewis must have felt in not having that opportunity on the last lap of qualifying to get pole position. But I
think his reaction to his team-mate and team was wrong."
Not sure John Surtees is in a position to pass judgement on this. He is know to be 'difficult' when he was racing (and managing his own
teams).
If I was a team manager I'd want my driver to be seriously p*** off if he didn't win, shows he wants it.
They were friends before and they will be friends again.
It is all a story about nothing.
Pay them to risk their lives without question to win, and then expect them to be mature. It isn't realistic.