DIY Si
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 03:03 PM |
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Did/do any cars run the duratec v6? Anyon eknow a power figure for it? Already thinking of parts for my next build and want a v6 engine just to be a
(little) bit different. Plus I want twin exhausts next time. More shiny bits. 
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NS Dev
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 03:38 PM |
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I think Razman on here is running one?
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olv
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 06:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by NS DevVERY VERY good engine indeed!!!
we ran a std one in the old rally car and it made 162 hp iirc in totally std form with 45mm jenvey throttle bodies on it. Quite a bit lighter than the
XE, considerably smaller, uses effectively larger valves (per cc of cyl displacement, they are actually a tad smaller if you see what I mean!) and
uses the same cam followers as the XE, so it's well overengineered in the cyl head dept.
very good engine indeed, but then there's also the K series and Zetec S to consider, which are more modern and lighter. K series has its foibles
which can be a pain though and the zetec S is more desirable hence more pricey!
Sorry to drag this further off topic but there you go 
Glad to here you had such positive results with the 1.6 ecotec. It makes it a very tempting option for me. Difficult to pick between that and the 2.0
XE.
Any idea what the weight difference is between the two? Does the ecotec require any sump modifications? Does the XE really need a chopped sump for
better ground clearance as it's a fairly tall engine and can hang down a bit too much?
What are peoples thoughts on using a manta box instead of a bellhousing and type 9. As far as i know the manta box should just mate straight up to the
XE, what about the 1.6 ecotec? What's the size and weight like of the manta box compared with the type 9.
Woah, gone waaay off topic. sorry APR.
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APR
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 08:34 PM |
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monkeybasher
product code for ram pipes - ITG-AH32/bare ali spinning 70mm, £10.80 each +vat they measure 52mm at throttle body end and joined with samco 51mm hose
( cheapest way is to buy a 45 deg bend and cut it up £16 +vat) all from merlin also stainless hose clips 50-70mm.
Adrian.
everyone else
zetec's are eaiser to get hold of
at least down here
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 09:26 PM |
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with espect to the ecotec issue the only reason I am using one is because its free
If I could choose
s2000
duratec or Bike engine
K series
in that order
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DIY Si
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 09:39 PM |
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mmmmm, S2000. ba$tard quick so i hear. And there's a company from somewhere that all ready makes a kit with it! Shame I can't afford an
S200 wheelnut, let alone the engine! Hasn't stopped me making a locost though. Hurrah.
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Monkeybasher
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 11:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by APR
monkeybasher
product code for ram pipes - ITG-AH32/bare ali spinning 70mm, £10.80 each +vat they measure 52mm at throttle body end and joined with samco 51mm hose
( cheapest way is to buy a 45 deg bend and cut it up £16 +vat) all from merlin also stainless hose clips 50-70mm.
Adrian.
everyone else
zetec's are eaiser to get hold of
at least down here
Thankyou Adrian, I have just ordered the parts.
Cheers
Steve
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NS Dev
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 11:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by olv
quote:
Originally posted by NS DevVERY VERY good engine indeed!!!
we ran a std one in the old rally car and it made 162 hp iirc in totally std form with 45mm jenvey throttle bodies on it. Quite a bit lighter than the
XE, considerably smaller, uses effectively larger valves (per cc of cyl displacement, they are actually a tad smaller if you see what I mean!) and
uses the same cam followers as the XE, so it's well overengineered in the cyl head dept.
very good engine indeed, but then there's also the K series and Zetec S to consider, which are more modern and lighter. K series has its foibles
which can be a pain though and the zetec S is more desirable hence more pricey!
Sorry to drag this further off topic but there you go
Glad to here you had such positive results with the 1.6 ecotec. It makes it a very tempting option for me. Difficult to pick between that and the 2.0
XE.
Any idea what the weight difference is between the two? Does the ecotec require any sump modifications? Does the XE really need a chopped sump for
better ground clearance as it's a fairly tall engine and can hang down a bit too much?
What are peoples thoughts on using a manta box instead of a bellhousing and type 9. As far as i know the manta box should just mate straight up to the
XE, what about the 1.6 ecotec? What's the size and weight like of the manta box compared with the type 9.
Woah, gone waaay off topic. sorry APR.
Right!
Yep, the XE does need a chopped sump otherwise its much too tall, and the manta sump is still too tall really (I have one but its now in a manta
again!)
Don't know on the weight difference, I'd make a wild guess at something like 10 to 15kg
Yep, the manta 1800 box (or carlton box, but note the manta one MUST be the 1800, not the 1.6, 1.9 or 2.0, these used the CIH block which is totally
different) will fit either the 1600 16v or 2.0 16v engines. Vauxhall used the same bellhousing pattern from 1300 8v OHC up to the 3.0 V6 ecotec.
manta box has much the same weaknesses as the type 9 ford, but no competition bits are around for the Getrag 240 (manta) one whereas there are loads
for the ford.
hope this helps
Nat
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olv
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| posted on 15/3/06 at 07:53 PM |
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Cheers for that NS Dev, most useful.
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Cazzy R
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| posted on 20/3/06 at 01:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by APR
manifold by bogg bros
ecu is DTA ex48
exhaust was luego item
torque was up by 25lb with a smooth climb to rev limit at 7250
old zetec with twin 45s only produced 130bhp on same r/road.
cost of r/road was £250
std cams at this time and found no gain from verniers.
throttle bodies gsxr 750 k4
trumpets from merlin motorsport
r/r done by FRANKINSTIEN MOTORSPORT
heath and reach nr leighton buzzard.
didnt get a print out but they are sending me one and i will post it up.
Thanks to everyone who answerd all my questions during my build
[Edited on 11/3/06 by APR]
Hello APR.
I notice from your photo gallery that you are using the injector locations in the GSX-R bodies.
As you have a proven set up could you tell me:
1. What injectors you are using?
2. How did you arrive at the overall length of the inlet tract and the distance from the injectors to the manifold joint face.Where these positions
calculated/guesstimated or did they just happen?
Cheers. 
Cazzy R
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APR
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| posted on 20/3/06 at 07:57 PM |
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std escort cosworth dark blue injectors (had to run at 3 bar fuel pressure running at 90% duty at rev limit of 7250 ),
injectors to flange is 95mm bogg bros set this. hope this helps
Adrian.
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Cazzy R
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 posted on 20/3/06 at 10:51 PM |
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Good Info. Thanks.
Cazzy R
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nre
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| posted on 21/3/06 at 07:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by APR
product code for ram pipes - ITG-AH32/bare ali spinning 70mm, £10.80 each +vat
I have the same on my setup, but bought from HERE for
half Merlin's price.... this is locostbuilders after all!
Hope that might save someone a few quid...
Cheers,
Neil
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NS Dev
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| posted on 21/3/06 at 09:17 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nre
quote:
Originally posted by APR
product code for ram pipes - ITG-AH32/bare ali spinning 70mm, £10.80 each +vat
I have the same on my setup, but bought from HERE for
half Merlin's price.... this is locostbuilders after all!
Hope that might save someone a few quid...
Cheers,
Neil
Top link! Cheers!
I have always found need for speed a bit pricey but those prices are not bad!
Got to get some of the 279mm long ones for mine now!
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Tim 45
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| posted on 21/3/06 at 09:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
Yea, but the XE makes exactly the same power for much less money!
Ok, the duratec is lighter, but it needs a very expensive bellhousing etc.
Again, I looked at using one but it would cost me 2.5 to 3 times what the XE will for the same power and a few kgs less weight!!
Why how heavy is the XE?
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muzchap
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| posted on 22/3/06 at 11:49 AM |
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Has anybody EVER managed to get through to Need For Speed on the phone?
Driving me (excuse pun) mad!!! 
Just keeps ringing and ringing and ringing...
I want to order some trumpets and then some 'air filter socks' to go over them... I just wanna chat to em first and find out about the
socks.
RamAIR make socks - but they say max power is 130 horses  - I want more than that - hence checking with NeedForSpeed!!!
It should be NEED TO ANSWER THE FKIN PHONE!!!
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NS Dev
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| posted on 22/3/06 at 12:01 PM |
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Don't use filter socks, they are shite in blunt terms!
If you do want some, I have some ITG ones you can have if you wanna collect them, but they are crap!
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ned
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| posted on 22/3/06 at 12:20 PM |
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I am after some long rampipes for my throttle bodies - the flanged type pref 90-120mm + whats the cheapest place for these? Jenvey site seems very
expensive. The bare spinnings look good, but can you buy blank bases to get them tigged to?
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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muzchap
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| posted on 22/3/06 at 12:30 PM |
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Ned,
Pipercross do some at around £16 each to fit any carbs
this place stocks em and is cheap
http://www.performancecentre.co.uk/
Cheers,
Murray
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ned
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| posted on 22/3/06 at 12:37 PM |
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good link, thanks - but in bolt on fitment (dhla style?) they only go upto 60mm
beware, I've got yellow skin
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muzchap
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| posted on 22/3/06 at 12:53 PM |
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NSDEV you have U2U
NED,
Sorry - didn't realise they weren't long enough :-(
I'd give ITG a ring - see what they can do - that's what I did with Pipercross...
ITG might be able to supply direct with the plates to 'tig' on..
Cheers,
Murray
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ned
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| posted on 10/4/06 at 02:17 PM |
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For anyone thats still interested I've just rung ITG and they quoted me a retail price of £16 each for the flanges and £15.80 retail for the
108mm 45mmid spinnings, which is odd seeing as the link above is cheaper and the guy wasn't aware of that website selling them!
all that aside its still cheaper to pay jenvey £23 each in 90 or 120mm lengths and not have to fit the flange and spinning together by
welding/glueing etc.
still no 'locost' solution as far as i can see
beware, I've got yellow skin
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