HAL 1
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| posted on 4/3/09 at 11:27 AM |
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independant garages
Mrs hal just came back from MOTing her car, brought a leaflet from garage, see
www.r2rc.co.uk
where do i take my standard vanguard, triumph herald, datsun cherry ? if i had them, or even my Haldane ! ( i suppose i can do that at the
manufacturers )
sad day for us if it happens 
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 4/3/09 at 11:36 AM |
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Don’t think this has anything to do with old cars but only those under warranty and manufacturers holding back schematics of components or access to
diagnostic tools, I'm sure they got a b£ll£cking a few years ago for this and told to quit it. If they insisted, people would simply not buy
their cars, especially in these harder times.
But as my ‘newest’ car is 20 years old I’m not overly concerned tbh
[Edited on 4/3/09 by Mr Whippy]
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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r1_pete
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| posted on 4/3/09 at 11:49 AM |
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I've scan read the Euro VI regulation and from what I've seen cant see what the fuss is about, see what you think:
http://www.ies-uk.org.uk/news/documents/EFAEPEUReportAugust08.pdf
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 4/3/09 at 12:00 PM |
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As I wrote in this thread:
quote:
It was the EU that brought in these regulations [block exemption] in the first place, they are not removing them, it's just that the regulation
is about to expire.
However: Access to repair information is now part of European type-approval - in the near future manufacturers will have to provide access to
workshop manuals etc on their websites (most will still charge though).
The expiry of the Block Exemption will not stop access to repair information, since providing it is now an intrinsic part of being allowed to sell a
car.
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 4/3/09 at 12:04 PM |
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The legislation (EC regulation 715/2007) which applies to the majority of mass-produced passenger cars:
quote:
Manufacturers shall provide unrestricted and standardised access to vehicle repair and maintenance information to independent operators through
websites using a standardised format in a readily accessible and prompt manner, and in a manner which is non-discriminatory compared to the provision
given or access granted to authorised dealers and repairers. With a view to facilitating the achievement of this objective, the information shall be
submitted in a consistent manner, initially in accordance with the technical requirements of the OASIS format (1). Manufacturers shall also make
training material available to independent operators and authorised dealers and repairers.
[Edited on 4/3/09 by matt_claydon]
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spaximus
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| posted on 4/3/09 at 12:19 PM |
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Sorry it is not simple. Yes the manufacturers have to provide information to allow independant garages to function, howevr there is a gap between to
old Block exemption expiring and this new law coming in to force. What it means is they have no compulsion to provide any information between these
dates. Local garages will not be able to acces information and effectivly this means they will close. Then the manufacturers will up the costs
hugly.
Watch the video on Youtube it makes more sense.
The other thing is that any issue that is related to security they do not have to make known, so that is why if you have a tyre on a BMW 7 series the
can bus computer needs reseting before it will drive. There are many more examples of this which are facts.
if we are not careful the manufacturers and the dealers will get what they want and we will be the poorer for it.
The company I work for is part of the R2RC campaign so it is close to my heart.
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dhutch
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| posted on 4/3/09 at 01:42 PM |
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A freind of ours bought a new Mk1 Toyota Prius new. (he's a tech bloke, whos bussiness is researching solar panels tech)
During the purchase he got it written into the sales agreement that he would get the full technical workshop manual for the whole car. Printed, in
with the price.
- Sales man confirmed that would be ok, sold car, money and car changed hands. Then he went to chase the manual.
Took him about two weeks of phone calls on and off. But he does now have it!
Daniel
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dhutch
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| posted on 4/3/09 at 02:04 PM |
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I have also written (paper) letters to my two local MPs (loughborough and home) and electronic emials to all me MEPs via write-to-them online.
Who knows what good it will do, but it wont do any harm, and if enough people do something, they cant totally ignore it.
Daniel
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