flak monkey
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 08:33 PM |
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If you fancy a laugh.....
An inconvenient truth is on C4 this weekend.
Huzzah, more scaremongering made it to mainstream TV....And its being billed as the ultimate film on the subject too....
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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clairetoo
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 08:39 PM |
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? 
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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smart51
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 08:41 PM |
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I take it you're a sceptic then? I doubt the film is a bit of a laugh.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 08:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
I take it you're a sceptic then? I doubt the film is a bit of a laugh.
Yep..you guessed correctly 
I've made my views clear several times, so shant repeat them....
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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chrisg
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 08:56 PM |
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Biggest load of b*ll*cks I've ever seen, blatent propaganda.
Cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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paulf
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 09:11 PM |
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Its not so long ago that channel 4 showed the great global warming swindle.
There obviously trying to show they are unbiased although I side with the first program.
Paul.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 09:29 PM |
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The film raises some interesting questions surely, okay a decent sized comet hitting the earth would kill life quickly but it is undeniable that we
are poisoning the planet.
Surely anything that attempts to control or highlight this has got to be a good thing?
Why so anti
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 09:36 PM |
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Al Gore said it is true - so it HAS to be complete tosh
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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omega0684
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 09:48 PM |
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i believe everything i read in the Sun, the Mirror and the Daily Sport, its the telegraph, the Daily Mail and the financial times that are full of
cr*p 
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RoadkillUK
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 09:55 PM |
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Too many people, (the rest of this sentence has been self censored so as not to offend people)
Roadkill - Lee
www.bradford7.co.uk
Latest Picture (14 Sept 2014)
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jlparsons
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 10:08 PM |
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It's all manbearpig's fault.
Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead is purely coincidental. Some assembly required. Batteries not included. Contents may settle during
shipment. Use only as directed. No other warranty expressed or implied. Do not use while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. Subject to
approval, terms and conditions apply. Apply only to affected area. For recreational use only. All models over 18 years of age. No user-serviceable
parts inside. Subject to change. As seen on TV. One size fits all. May contain nuts. Slippery when wet. For office use only. Edited for television.
Keep cool; process promptly.
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Simon
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| posted on 31/3/09 at 11:42 PM |
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Like I said in another post, the only way to stop global warming (which I disagree has anything to do with the human being and everything to do with
cycles of a much greater nature - like longer than the human race has been making fire), is to remove all living things which produce gg's (of
which the most abundant is......... water vapour!) .
Kind of becomes pointless to remove life to save the planet from an unproven non existent threat so nothing can not live on it. Kind of thing!
It's all an excuse to raise tax, and give teachers something to talk to their classs about as they don't actually need to educate them in
chosen subjects as a) that can be learnt from wiki and b) they don't need to know much for the exams - writing your name gets you a
"d"
ATB
Simon
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 07:05 AM |
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Obviously we are contributing to global warming but an average volcanic eruption put out more CO2 than all humans do in one year. Now how many
volcano's erupt in a year?
As said, its all an excuse to raise tax. Before global warming, there was global cooling so my solution is to pump out as much crap as we can to cool
the planet. That way we will be fine for a few decades before we have to do it again 
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 08:59 AM |
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Is this like.. An April Fools joke? Surely no single collection of people could all share such clarksonesque views, even petrol heads?
I mean, I love destroying the environment as much as the next guy, but can you honestly say that a human population of 6 billion+ producing
thousands/millions/billions of tonnes of CO2 and NH3 (proven global warming accelerators) and very effectively destroying the largest green house gas
sponges on the planet compared to an Earth with no influence from Man is going to be experiencing the same cycles of warming and cooling?
Its like saying that Jewish people die all the time, so the holocaust was nothing particularly out of the ordinary  .
I'm not suggesting we all go preindustrial, but when huge swathes of the population are starving, fossil fuels are getting scarce and were still
insistent on severely posioning the planet - its about time we man up and accept some responsibility.
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Staple balls
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 09:17 AM |
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Oooh, Godwin's Law!
I'm gonna take the Clarkson-esque view here too. While we're probably not great for the planet, it cools down and warms up anyway.
Remember when it was called global warming? they had to change that to climate change because it stopped warming up.
I like to think of these phenomena as Weather. Y'know, that stuff that happened before we were here?
quote:
I'm not suggesting we all go preindustrial, but when huge swathes of the population are starving
That's more to do with where they are in the world, and strange economic happenings (which I'll touch on below)
quote:
fossil fuels are getting scarce and were still insistent on severely posioning the planet
I'm not convinced fossils fuels are getting scarce, there's a lot of them about in places we just can't get at so easily due to
political crap.
As far as fossil fuels and people starving/poverty...
There's a link, over the last few years a lot of crops have been going to making biofuel, pushing the cost of crops up, and forcing more people
into poverty.
[Edited on 1/4/09 by Staple balls]
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woodster
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 09:23 AM |
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global warming man made my a*rse just another reason to tax folk buy an atlas have a look at how small the uk is then measure the populated areas
we really are very insignificant .... me switching my lights off saving the world ..... YEAH RIGHT
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 09:26 AM |
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haha, i think thats the first reference to Godwins Law I've spotted on this forum .
I do acknowledge that actually KNOWING humans are having an adverse effect or not is close to impossible. We've not been around for long
enough!
What sways me to the green/dark side (as far as this forum is concerned) is the fact that environmental scientists were whinging about these issues
way way before it picked up political momentum and people started discussing tax (as per usual )
Oh and on the "switch off lights front" I think its more a principle that if everyone did it then it would make a difference...rather than
just you woodster unless you're running some megamega wattage lamps!
[Edited on 1/4/09 by cd.thomson]
Craig
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Staple balls
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 09:34 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
What sways me to the green/dark side (as far as this forum is concerned) is the fact that environmental scientists were whinging about these issues
way way before it picked up political momentum and people started discussing tax (as per usual )
This is a fair point, but as greenpeace and the like have been floating about since the 70s, it's fairly difficult to find any recent studies
that haven been politically biased to some degree.
Personally, I'm sitting on the fence, but I prefer the rational view, not the reactionary one.
Also, if fossil fuels are so bad, why aren't we using more nuclear power?
It's bloody safe these days, and even if stuff does go very wrong (see: Chernobyl) you just end up with a nice big wildlife sanctuary where
humans fear to tread.
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trogdor
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 10:17 AM |
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yep it pretty much is an excuse to tax us, we should reduce our CO2 emissions as much as is reasonable but everything living emits it, (including
plants) and as mentioned earlier water vapour and methane are far bigger contributions to the climate change effect.
It does irritant me when peeps say the electric cars etc are good for the environment, which is not true as you move the emissions to the power
station. That said it will be a more efficient use of said emissions.
I liked the idea of a plug in hybrid, from the death of the electric car show. would be ideal for someone who does low mileage a week so gets 150mpg
for the first 60 miles from a full charge but will do long journeys occasionally.
I won't have one as its still cheaper to run my £150 audi 80 which i spend a few hundred a year on maintenance and will get about 35mpg with it.
Its on a carb and its better than some modern cars!
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chrisg
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 01:49 PM |
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The whole thing is gigantic con, working on the usual principal, known as the "bastard principal".
They want your money - in this case "green" taxes.
They pick a side. If you happen to disagree or are savvy enough to see through the bullshit then you're a bastard.
In this case you're the bastard who wants to kill babies with your pollution.
The effect is that anyone who takes a contrary view can be portrayed as the bad guy - the bastard.
If you oppose speed cameras, you're the bastard who wants to run over babies in the street and drive as fast as you like, ignoring the fact that
road deaths aren't falling, police traffic patrols have decreased by 60% and speed is the only road traffic offence that is policed anymore.
Anyway
Today I'm the bastard
Global warming - sorry "climate change" - there is no proof it exists and don't you think it even a little suspicious that
everything that can "Save the planet" is going to cost you money?
The earth has warmed up and cooled down cyclically since the days of the dinosaurs - all them triceratops must have had V8's.
If you're happy to believe what you're told and pay through the nose for the privellige then that's up to you but I'm not the
bad guy because I'm not
Chris
Try this
[Edited on 1/4/09 by chrisg]
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 02:01 PM |
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no no, as I've said its going to impossible to prove the level of human contribution to climate change, although some influence is
undeniable.
I'm not thinking green and I'm certainly not thinking taxes. I'm a scientist and I've made a hypothesis based on observations
of how insulating certain gases are (that we happen to produce in abundance) and the fact that the climate IS changing more rapidly than would be
expected from historical records. You've formed an opposing hypothesis based on a different set of data (namely ice core climate records). None
of this implies that one of our opinions is based on some huge conspiracy theory.
Oh and the dinosaurs happened to have a megatonne meteor to change the climate, the winters didnt just get gradually colder until an ice age started.
Craig
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chrisg
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 02:04 PM |
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and this
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 02:11 PM |
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http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=4761&gclid=CIGj7Mrtz5kCFQG7GgodnhCOuA
How about heavily peer reviewed, independent scientific opinion thats strictly regulated and represented by one of the most prestigious scientific
communities in the world - if we're playing the linking game?
heres a more easily accessible link, please give it a read:
http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=6229
[Edited on 1/4/09 by cd.thomson]
Craig
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jeffw
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 02:13 PM |
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The planet has been cooling for the last 9 years in line with the solar cycle...nothing to do with Climate change bollocks
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Staple balls
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| posted on 1/4/09 at 02:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=4761&gclid=CIGj7Mrtz5kCFQG7GgodnhCOuA
How about heavily peer reviewed, independent scientific opinion thats strictly regulated and represented by one of the most prestigious scientific
communities in the world - if we're playing the linking game?
[Edited on 1/4/09 by cd.thomson]
as you said, it's opinion, and we know all opinion pieces are tosh.
I demand undeniable proof, like the bible. 
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