DarrenW
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| posted on 14/9/09 at 11:01 PM |
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GRP monocoque bodyshells
Just been having a chat with some people on the mini forum. Ive directed them here for more info. Just thought id check what i was saying is correct
(im 99% certain it is).
You have a mini. Its rotten. 2 nice ioptions are new steel shell or one of those FRA mini shells (fibreglass). Opting for GRP is a radical chassis mod
and IVA is required.
There was also an article in this months mini mags covering that VOSA might be getting stricter on other cars needing IVA (eg limo's, mini
sorties etc).
Wasnt there something about a company making GRP shells for VX Nova's a couple of years back? Didnt they have to go on a Q plate? Do you reckon
DVLA would do the same for GRP mini shells? Or could they be classified as a kit car, get a cert of newness and be registered on a current plate?
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blakep82
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 12:11 AM |
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if you're reshelling a car, ie taking the bits out a rotten shell, and putting the bits in a new one, identical to the original, then it
won't need IVA.
fibreglass minis would be classed as kit cars i reckon. the same as taking a sierra, and re-shelling it into, er, a 7 
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 06:16 AM |
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tbh I thought full GRP monocoque bodyshells needed type approval (i.e. crash tested) to be used on the road
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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iank
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 06:39 AM |
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You are correct Darren, a GRP chassis isn't OEM spec therefore IVA required.
Mr Whippy - incorrect no type approval is required, but if it's a new, unproven, design the IVA man will need to be satisfied it's strong
enough. Lots of GRP monocoque mini kits over the years (GTM rossa and the new ones, the Dominos, Mini Marcos/Gem/Kingfisher, Midas Gold/Bronze etc
etc etc).
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 06:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
You are correct Darren, a GRP chassis isn't OEM spec therefore IVA required.
Mr Whippy - incorrect no type approval is required, but if it's a new, unproven, design the IVA man will need to be satisfied it's strong
enough. Lots of GRP monocoque mini kits over the years (GTM rossa and the new ones, the Dominos, Mini Marcos/Gem/Kingfisher, Midas Gold/Bronze etc
etc etc).
How do you satisfy the IVA man then? tbh as far as I'm aware they did have to crash test those kit cars (not something you'd volunteer to
do as its so expensive) -
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 07:07 AM |
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grp mini shells - where from and how much?
My Build Thread
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fov
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 07:30 AM |
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There was a mini made with a fiberglass shell wasnt there? It was slighly lower than a normal one too.
Mini minus seems to ring a bell but not sure.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 08:00 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by iank
You are correct Darren, a GRP chassis isn't OEM spec therefore IVA required.
Mr Whippy - incorrect no type approval is required, but if it's a new, unproven, design the IVA man will need to be satisfied it's strong
enough. Lots of GRP monocoque mini kits over the years (GTM rossa and the new ones, the Dominos, Mini Marcos/Gem/Kingfisher, Midas Gold/Bronze etc
etc etc).
How do you satisfy the IVA man then? tbh as far as I'm aware they did have to crash test those kit cars (not something you'd volunteer to
do as its so expensive) -
I am with wippy on this i belive 3 of the GTM had to be supplied for Mira to destroy but unsure if this was to satisy UK or EU Regs.
regards
Agriv8
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DarrenW
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 08:29 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
grp mini shells - where from and how much?
I cant remember the name of the company that took them over but if you google for FRA Mini you should find it quickly. About £2500 ish iirc. When FRA
were making them i lived over the road from their workshop and popped in for a look. I was convinced they were a good shell, they were strengthened in
key areas (like seat belt mounts etc).
TBH IVA for such cars is a good thing and will hopefully stop nonces doubling the performance of their cars with no knowledge how to do it safely. A
FRA Mini correctly built and tested would be a very potent car as there is nothing to stop you building it to whatever spec you like and then going
through the IVA afterwards. Hopefully they will be treated like a kit and allow current / age related or Q plates. And the more Q plates that get
issued would completely remove the stigma (as it is now only in the eyes of std tin top drivers) and make such a prefix mean you have something
special.
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blakep82
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 09:08 AM |
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Meant to say in my post, a re shelled car would need to be the same as the original (ie welded steel) not just look the same. Same as the whole issue
with 'duttons' being re-chassied with a mnr or stuart taylor chassis that we see on ebay a lot
The mini minus was a grp mini kit. Mini pimlico was another i think. I'm sure there was another that started with a D. I'll check later
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Marcus
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 11:39 AM |
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Hi Blake, the 'D' would be the Domino, same company as the Pimlico ISTR. The GTMs were crash tested because they wanted to sell turnkey
cars, there was no other reason to spend loads of money to have it done.
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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blakep82
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 11:56 AM |
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yes ^ domino thats the one 
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iank
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 03:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
How do you satisfy the IVA man then? tbh as far as I'm aware they did have to crash test those kit cars (not something you'd volunteer to
do as its so expensive)
As said by Marcus they were going for type approval for the cars so they could sell them abroad.
As for how you convince the IVA man, the same as for any new spaceframe chassis design that turns up. If he turns up his nose and thinks it's a
bit dodgy you will need an engineers report based on the thickness of the grp and constuction methods/materials to convince him.
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Ferg
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 04:04 PM |
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GTM never crash tested the Libra or Spyder (or Rossa as far as I can remember).
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minipete
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| posted on 15/9/09 at 04:38 PM |
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I put a grp mini minus through sva earlier this year and had no issues regarding the strength of the body. Might be because it had a full rollcage in
it to hold the gsxr1000 engine in the back. Even got it on an '09' plate thanks to Northampton dvla.
The full build is on the mini forum but if it wasn't for the info on this site I would have really struggled to finish it. Unfortunately it
seems that most of the mini community feel that iva's are something that doesn't affect them no matter what they do to their car.
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