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pocket rocket

posted on 3/10/09 at 02:08 PM Reply With Quote
turbo or supercharger for 1.6 zetec se

i am thinking about a turbo or a supercharger for my 1.6 zetec se engine to increase its modest 100bhp.

rotrex do a supercharge kit but its alot of cash

any idea what the cost might be to fit one or the other???

if anyone has pic's of one fitted or a list of the parts needed to do the job that would be ace.

it only has to be a small turbo or SC as im sticking with the standard internals

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Madinventions

posted on 3/10/09 at 02:12 PM Reply With Quote
Have you seen Paul Collingwoods 1.6 mods? 194bhp without turbo or SC... Probably just as expensive though!

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The mods to my 1.6zetec are

ported cylinder head
high lift cams
pocketed pistons
steel rods
active technology throttle bodies
larger injectors
and mapping at emerald rolling road

I built the engine my self so yes I am pleased with 194 bhp
thinking of fitting forged piston , bigger valves and new exhaust when I have the spare cash



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thunderace

posted on 3/10/09 at 02:13 PM Reply With Quote
i will be intrested in this also,always wanted to supercharge a car.
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pocket rocket

posted on 3/10/09 at 02:22 PM Reply With Quote
194bhp with no turbo or sc is very good work, but like you said very costly

my budget is low for this so it does need to be a locost special

the plan is to make the exhaust system and any mounts needed my self to save £££ and spend it on the ecu which i think is going to be the most expensive part.





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Madinventions

posted on 3/10/09 at 02:27 PM Reply With Quote
I've got the teeny 1.25 Zetec in my Mojo (75BHP) and I think I'll upgrade to the 1.6 at some point soon. You can always do with a bit more power!

I agree that Pauls mods are probably expensive, and I'd love to see what Turbo/SC mods this thread shows up.





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Madinventions

posted on 3/10/09 at 02:55 PM Reply With Quote
Here's a supercharged 1600 Zetec-S project... Uses an Eaton M45.
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1600cc all alloy 16v Zetec SE
Eaton M45 Supercharger
Behr Chargecooler (Watercooled inlet charge)
DTA S60 pro ECU

Probably expensive too! <sigh>

And here's a fairly good article regariding the Zetec-S/SE tuning:
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pocket rocket

posted on 3/10/09 at 03:42 PM Reply With Quote
there is some great pic's of the engine with the supercharger and charge cooler fitted

interesting how the article on zetec se tuning says not to go down the forced induction route and to just go N/A when people seem to be having sucsess with supercharging.





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rossymond

posted on 3/10/09 at 04:15 PM Reply With Quote
It might be worth looking at using something like the carger from a mini cooper s? or from a golf g60? would be much cheaper to buy than a new one i would have thought, management wise look at something like a greddy emanage, then look at someone like Ryan G from 2bar tuning to fit and map it, he's a mate of mine so ask if you need some details.

small intercooler, bigger injectors and a decent walbro fuel pump and your away.

the only hard bit would be mounting the s/c and fitting the belt/pulley system.

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goodall

posted on 3/10/09 at 05:34 PM Reply With Quote
why not just fit a 2l zetec gota be cheaper and easier with after market ecu and the trimmings would work out better that a forced 1.6?

however, if still think supercharger is the way, for there are some nice aspects to doing it i got to admit. how about a used super charger of a new mini cooper, i think there had cheap on ebay coupled to a cheap charge cooler and adequate ecu would be fairly straight forward

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RickRick

posted on 3/10/09 at 07:14 PM Reply With Quote
my Zetec S fiesta with 1.6 engine was turbo'd by van aaken developments however there not trading anymore, my car was used for the development, resulting in a blown turbo after 3 weeks, but once repaired, my 103 hp went up to 155 and loads more torque was brilliant on the motorway in 5th would have been ace if i'd removed the power limiter from 1st gear
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pocket rocket

posted on 3/10/09 at 08:58 PM Reply With Quote
what was the cost of the turbo kit rick? im temped by a turbo as you can pick up small turbos like a ct26 very cheap and won't have the fuss of mounting it straight for a belt like a SC, i looked at the eaton 45's like the cooper s one, they are fairly cheap but much more than a cheap turbo!
can you remember what boost the turbo was putting out? im sure i remember 0.3bar from somewhere
my biggest worry is the ecu and the cost, i don't understand ecu's





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pocket rocket

posted on 4/10/09 at 07:48 PM Reply With Quote
there are a few 2.5lt turbo st engine + gearbox's on ebay, start at £750... now thats very tempting





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Steve PH

posted on 4/10/09 at 10:57 PM Reply With Quote
I supercharged my 106 GTi trackday car. The results were pretty good, it went from 125 to 199 bhp atw but I wouldn't call it a cheap conversion, it needed forged pistons to work properly, intercooler, management etc.

Proper little toy on track but doesn't get used so much now I've got my Westfield

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posted on 29/12/09 at 08:12 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RickRick
my Zetec S fiesta with 1.6 engine was turbo'd by van aaken developments however there not trading anymore, my car was used for the development, resulting in a blown turbo after 3 weeks, but once repaired, my 103 hp went up to 155 and loads more torque was brilliant on the motorway in 5th would have been ace if i'd removed the power limiter from 1st gear


my mate had a conv from them.... What a bodge! No wonder they went out of buisness....

I know this is an old thread but you do realise the 1.6 se engine is 11.5:1 CR.... Not ideal to turbo. However it is a fantastic engine and soooo light. We had a STD one on emerald and it sounded so Nice at 8200 rpm.





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beaver34

posted on 29/12/09 at 08:36 PM Reply With Quote
i run a se engine, in N/A form, stock bottom end, bodies cams headwork 175bhp, revs to 8k
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boggle

posted on 29/12/09 at 09:51 PM Reply With Quote
t2.5 and a decompression plate with a 5th injector...tis as simple as that...





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beaver34

posted on 29/12/09 at 09:53 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by boggle
t2.5 and a decompression plate with a 5th injector...tis as simple as that...


not really that simple is it,

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boggle

posted on 29/12/09 at 09:56 PM Reply With Quote
it is...i have done it....





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beaver34

posted on 29/12/09 at 10:05 PM Reply With Quote
no messing with exhaust to fit a turbo?, no sorting the fuelling out? the pipework for the setup?
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boggle

posted on 29/12/09 at 10:14 PM Reply With Quote
this was my first attempt in 2001...

it was on an escort cabriolet 1800si

it had a t3 turbo, 2mm decompresion plate and a 5th injector...

done on a budget of £500....and i was only 21 at the time....was my first big project...

i made the manifold adaptor and just reused bits from an rs turbo.....5th injector is from a cosworth and is plummed in from the end of the fuel rail where you test the fuel preasure...it is controlled by a preasure switch.....

when im bored with the pinto i will do a 2.0l one.....have learnt a lot since then so will make it better...















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beaver34

posted on 29/12/09 at 10:20 PM Reply With Quote
fair enough on that engine as the parts are there and fit and alot of people do zetec turbo's, there are very little turboed zetec se engines or parts for that matter, ford are releasing a turbo version of it soon though so that should change things for the better
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posted on 29/12/09 at 10:32 PM Reply With Quote
i must appologise, i didnt read the se bit....doh!!!......im sure MAD devolpments did a conversion for the se...i know they used to do a conversion for the 1.7 puma and the ford ka....im sure it would not be too difficult to do....





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posted on 29/12/09 at 10:41 PM Reply With Quote
if anyone is thinking of turbo charging one and wants some help i would be interested in lending a hand....





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NS Dev

posted on 30/12/09 at 09:48 AM Reply With Quote
I'd go with the supercharger myself.

Yep its all do-able on the cheap but prob won't be very effective.

Obviously the pic above is zetec not zetec SE, different kettles of fish entirely!

Also very different job fitting it in a locost!

If money were less of an issue then either fit a duratec, or if you want to stick with the SE (and they are light and nice engines) then a small rotrex blower would be perfect, just not cheap!





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terryroberts

posted on 31/12/09 at 11:05 PM Reply With Quote
hi guys if you can hang on till mid 2010 then fords will be putting out a 1.6 turbo sigma motor will 185bhp as std. so to be followed with a 230bhp one..

cheers terry

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