scootz
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 11:30 AM |
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Which Middy...
... has the 'longest' engine / box bay?
Reason I'm asking is that the RS4 engine is pretty much done and every time I see it I drool! A couple of weeks later, my thoughts turn to
moving it on... then I see it again!
I'm thinking that once it's sat in my garage, then I'll be itching to do 'something' with it! Already established that
a front-engined rear-wheel drive layout is pretty much a non-starter, so it would have to be a middy.... V8 coupled to the Audi 01X transaxle.
Looking around, most middy kits seem to adopt the transverse mid-engine layout, or cater for tiny bike engines. No use for me!
I'm certainly no chassis expert, but I guess that 'stretching' a current chassis and extending any bodywork is just a recipe for
structural and handling disaster!
So thought I'd float the question... anyone offer a (reasonably priced) middy-kit that's designed for a larger longitudinal-engine
layout?
PS - no 'build the Ultima' suggestions please 
It's Evolution Baby!
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austin man
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 11:42 AM |
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Not a middy but the Spire GTR can have that layout. Martin Keenan originally had a zetec bolted to an Audi Box when he mocked it up
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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Mike S
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 12:09 PM |
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So what is not a Middy about the Spire GTR then?
It was last time I looked.
There are more horses' asses in this world than there are horses
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zilspeed
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 02:44 PM |
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Remind me again.
What makes the Ultima a non starter ?
Because you'll end up with something very Ultimaesque anyway.
For what it's worth.
Such an engine / gearbox combo would be all the starting point I needed to be building a mid engined sports racing car.
Oh look, here's one we prepared earlier, in a workshop not a squillion miles away from you.
Now, I know you wouldn't fit a longitudinally mounted V8 into this chassis, but when you're starting with a clean sheet of paper, you can do
anything you want.
The car on the left has a longitudinally mounted engine and a Hewland.
The one below has a transverse engine.
You can do anything you want and it's your project, not someone else's.
The thought of this, more than anything is what tempts me to flog this ******* Sylva and start from scratch.
 
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Russell
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 03:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by austin man
Not a middy but the Spire GTR can have that layout. Martin Keenan originally had a zetec bolted to an Audi Box when he mocked it up
He used a 4 pot Audi engine and transaxle out of a G-reg Audi 80. I was re-reading the kit car magazine write up only yesterday
I'm fitting an Audi/VW 1.8T and transaxle to the Spire I'm building and the engine bay is plenty long enough for that. The driveshafts
pretty much dictate engine & 'box position and there is sensible space left fore and aft of this arrangement within the engine bay. I
don't think the RS4 engine will be a whole lot longer than the 1.8T 4 pot.
P.S. Don't ask me for pics cos my chassis is away on holiday at Spire at the moment for some mods.
I'm a bilingual illiterate. I can't read in two languages.
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Mr Noo
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 05:50 PM |
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I will have the perfect body for your engine/box, I like you need to sort a chassis, will prob end up making my own!
pic of the "buck" so far
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GRRR
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 06:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Noo
I will have the perfect body for your engine/box, I like you need to sort a chassis, will prob end up making my own!
pic of the "buck" so far
Awesome!!! Tell us more!!!
How did you design it, CAD model then sliced up to make the cross sections?
What ort of size will it be?
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scootz
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 06:23 PM |
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Indeed!
It's Evolution Baby!
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hicost blade
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 07:24 PM |
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http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1592568.htm
might work?!?
or
http://www.adr-engineering.co.uk/adr3-rs-racing-car.php
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scootz
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 07:29 PM |
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The Silhouette looks quite interesting!
It's Evolution Baby!
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hicost blade
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 07:33 PM |
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Cheap too. I bet you would get that for £3.5-4k cash
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Mr Noo
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| posted on 3/4/10 at 10:06 PM |
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No CAD afraid just the old fashioned way, some 3-view drawings and various bulkhead drawings to go from, plenty of pics and a bit of guesswork. It
is/will be fullsize, was aiming to use a bike engine but scrapped that idea and prob use Porsche Boxter s engine/box etc, should be ok with 250bhp, if
not then could twin turb or supercharge it, but reckon it will be plenty quick enough. Will keep you poster re progress when have something more to
show you all!
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