big_john
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| posted on 6/1/11 at 12:11 AM |
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Registrations
How many parts would be needed from the donor car for the kit to take its plate?
From my understanding, if you build it as per Chris Gibbs book, there is not that many items from the same car. Or is the list in the book, as many
parts that are required.
Also, if you manage to get the original reg, can that then be replaced with a personalised one?
Thanks
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loggyboy
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| posted on 6/1/11 at 12:16 AM |
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2 major components (engine and gearbox are sufficient) AND a chassis from a manufacturer (ie not one built from scratch)
If you do keep a donor reg, then yes you can put a personalised plate on, but subject to the normal rule of not being able to make the car look newer
than it is.
Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new or used parts
In order to retain the original registration mark:
•cars and car-derived vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the
same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).
And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or
engine.
If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used a car must pass an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) and light goods vans must have a enhanced
single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval (SVA) test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated.
Kit Cars
Where all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer. Subject to the provision of satisfactory receipts and a certificate of newness
these vehicles will be registered under a current registration mark.
Kit cars which have been built using not more than one reconditioned component will also be registered under a current mark. This is subject to the
provision of satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an "as new" standard. An IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will
be required.
Kit Conversions
This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque
bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a revised description on the registration certificate.
A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major
components are used. If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an
existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of
the donor vehicle. An IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.
Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA
certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014246
[Edited on 6/1/11 by loggyboy]
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Madinventions
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| posted on 6/1/11 at 12:41 AM |
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To summarise the DVLA lingo:
You won't keep the same/exact/actual number plate as the donor if you use a different chassis from the donor (which you will be...) This
basically only applies for modified cars, not kit cars.
You won't get a brand new current registration because you'll probably be using several 2nd hand parts from your donor car? You need all
parts to be brand new with a maximum of one reconditioned part to get this.
If you take loads of bits (engine/gearbox/'suspension'/steering column) etc from ONE donor car, then you may get an age related plate.
This means that if your donor car is on a 'F' number plate, then your kit may also get registered as an 'F'. As mentioned,
DVLA have a points system for determining this.
If you assemble your car from bits from all sorts of different cars or you don't meet the DVLA points requirement for an age related plate then
you will get a 'Q' plate. This is not necessarily a bad thing because it can often negate the need for an emission test during
MOT's but there are specific requirements for this that you'll need to check. You cannot get a personalised number plate for a Q
registered car.
For instance, my build used a pre-built chassis from Sylva, and I got most of my components from a P reg Fiesta (engine, gearbox, steering bits, loom,
ecu, etc). I managed to get an age related plate for my kit so it is also a 'P' reg even though it was registered in 2009.
It's important to keep receipts of everything you buy (DVLA will ask to see these), and it's very helpful to take loads of photos during
the build both for yourself and the DVLA.
Finally, get a copy of the latest IVA manual and read it thoroughly. It will tell you exactly how you need to build your car in order to pass this
test!
Hope this helps,
Ed.
[Edited on 6/1/11 by Madinventions]
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skodaman
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| posted on 6/1/11 at 02:35 AM |
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"2 major components (engine and gearbox are sufficient) AND a chassis from a manufacturer (ie not one built from scratch) "
Great my engine and gearbox are from a car already on a Q plate.
Skodaman
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big_john
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| posted on 6/1/11 at 03:21 AM |
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thanks for the replies guys, helped me a lot.
would getting a prebuilt chassis from say "talonmotorfabrication" on ebay be included in having a chassis from a manufacturer?
but even so, the engine and gearbox i have in my dad's shed. I have no idea what car they came from. just know it's a early pinto, with a
type e box
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snapper
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| posted on 6/1/11 at 07:07 AM |
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If you have type E box (4 speed) and that box came with the engine it came from a Cortina, may be an Escort RS2000 or a very early Granada.
You won't get an age related plate without the V5 from the original donor vehicle.
Most people prefer the 5 speed type 9 box
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loggyboy
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| posted on 6/1/11 at 09:30 AM |
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Just buy a sierra for a couple of hundered quid, use the engine/box from that, take plenty of pictures of the strip and the build and you'll be
fine.
And yesm providing you have a reciept (prefereably with a VAT number or with a LTD company address on then that would be adequate as a
'manufacturered' chassis. (Would be best with a chassis plate/number from them IIRC too)
[Edited on 6/1/11 by loggyboy]
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