blakep82
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 05:35 PM |
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is there any way to take on an abandoned car?
walked to the station on saturday, saw a BMW M5, E38 shape like this
with a flat tyre on one side, thought it was a bit rubbish for the guy, i like BMWs you know... walking back from the station last nite, still there
in the same place, with the 2 tyres flat on the other side too, so 3 out the 4, bit of rust on the brake discs, and tax ran out at the end of june,
seems a bit weird. perhaps worth a few enquiries anyway...
certainly a shame for it to be crushed for no tax, except for the flat tyres, its in like perfect condition
[Edited on 11/7/11 by blakep82]
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 05:44 PM |
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You may be able to get the owners details from DVLA if you can prove an interest.
Or ask about, somebody may know the story.
Or do what a lot few naughty people do, go along and trailer it away.
Of course it will never start unless you get the transponder or swap the ecu or whatever. Worth a few bob in scrap though.
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r1_pete
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 05:52 PM |
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How about leaving a note on the screen too, the owner will have had to declare it sorn, and needs to retain an interest to avoid investigation, unless
they've declared it sold and provided fictitious details.
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owelly
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 06:11 PM |
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Don't be tempted to touch it until you have the keys and v5 unless you have written consent from the courts or the plod. Theres a chance it has
a colourful history and the last thing you want is to be trying to tell a judge why you have a car that has done three bank jobs, run over a herd of
nuns and was last seen curb crawling........
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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blakep82
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 06:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by owelly
the last thing you want is to be trying to tell a judge why you have a car that has done three bank jobs, run over a herd of nuns and was last seen
curb crawling........
but i've never owned the car before 
it was just a thought, since my current car won't run properly, and then when i think its been running fine just now, its dumped its coolant
everywhere. MOT due in the next few weeks, as is tax...
thought it might have been a interesting way to get a good car which i couldn't afford to keep just now, to tidy and sell, so i can buy
something i can afford to keep, but the more i think, i don't see it ever happening, would just be a shame to have it sent to the crusher for
having no tax in the station car park
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johnny chimpo
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 07:03 PM |
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Was it anywhere near Fort Matilda station by any chance?
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blakep82
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 07:07 PM |
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ha ha almost what do you know about it then?
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nick205
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 07:18 PM |
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I looked into this a few years ago when I spotted a MK1 Golf GX (nothing particulalrly special, but the same as one I had when fresh out of L plates)
clearly abandoned local to me. It was in reasonable condition other than a ayer of moss and twigs, no tax etc. This was before the SORN rules came
into force mind.
I asked about and no one seemed to know who's it was. I asked at the local police station and they said they couldn't tell me who's
it was, but that I shouldn't to attempt move it. I asked the council, but they weren't interested.
I left it, but always wished I'd stashed it at my parents house for a few years.
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karlak
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 07:34 PM |
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Check on
http://ownvehicle.askmid.com/
to see if it insured. At least you will see if someone is "caring" for it.
MK Indy - 2litre Duratec - Omex 600 - Jenvey throttle bodies - ETB DigiDash2
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 07:45 PM |
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A guy at the dvla told me this when I asked about something similar (car is at a small dealers that looks abandoned)
There are two ways, the first is to apply for details of the V5 which will tell you who owns it. Iirc this costs a fiver
The second is to apply for the V5 to be transferred to your name, however they will write to whoever they have as the registered owner. The advantage
with this one is if they don't respond, you now have a BMW registered to you! Iirc this method is £25, but you'd possibly have to do it
anyway.
Once the car's in your name you ring one of those companies that will help you when you've "dropped your keys down the grid"
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dhutch
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 08:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
A guy at the dvla told me this when I asked about something similar (car is at a small dealers that looks abandoned)
There are two ways, the first is to apply for details of the V5 which will tell you who owns it. Iirc this costs a fiver
The second is to apply for the V5 to be transferred to your name, however they will write to whoever they have as the registered owner. The advantage
with this one is if they don't respond, you now have a BMW registered to you! Iirc this method is £25, but you'd possibly have to do it
anyway.
Once the car's in your name you ring one of those companies that will help you when you've "dropped your keys down the grid"
Sounds good to me!
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indykid
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 08:45 PM |
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Is a train station car park classed as off the road? If so, it's not an issue that it has no tax, as long as it's sorned.
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JoelP
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 08:48 PM |
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I can see no way to avoid a possible charge of TWOC, as that is exactly what you are proposing! You could apply for the log book in someone elses
name, then pretend you bought it off that person. Then you have a legitimate claim to the car.
Still dishonest though. You have to wonder why its there? No one would abandon a nice car on purpose, so its maybe someone's died, or someone
has been sent to jail. Either way not the best idea to pinch it.
[Edited on 11/7/11 by JoelP]
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owelly
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 09:21 PM |
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Here's a thing......
I have two chums who own a small garage. About two years ago, a bloke turns up with an 02 plate MGF. He says it's been overheating for a while
and now the clutch is slipping. My mates gave him a quote for head gasket and new clutch. Blokes says 'go ahead'. They did but the bloke
never came to collect car. A week or so later, my mates looked in the service book and found contact details for the owner and rang him. It turned out
that the bloke who took the car to the garage wasnt the owner, but some bloke who fixes cars for folks. The owner of the car had no idea the car was
at the garage and had no intentions of paying the bill.
Fast forward TWO YEARS and a few hundred quids worth of solicitors letter. The car now owes my mates the original bill plus storage costs. Thr soft
top of thr car is now fubar having sat outside all this time and it has four flay tyres.
The garage can't claim the car to try to recover costs without the owners permission and v5. Various legal bods say they can't touch the
car. The owner refusrs to talk about the car.
So, even knowing the owner doesnt make adopting an abandoned car any easier!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 09:32 PM |
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Like I say applying for the V5 means the DVLA will try and contact the current owner according to their records. If your wife had died at some point
in the past 5 years and you get a letter off the DVLA addressed to her of course you're going to open it.
That's when you remember her M5 is parked up at a train station
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JoelP
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| posted on 11/7/11 at 09:40 PM |
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i suspect its fraud just to fill in the form - not done one in ten years, but im sure you had to tick that you'd bought it but not got the docs.
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Liam
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| posted on 12/7/11 at 06:46 AM |
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Picked up an XR4x4 in similar circumstances years ago. It was abandoned on a petrol station forecourt so I asked about it and looked into it. As it
was on private land the landowner was essentially allowed to authorise me to take it away for them, and had the owner come asking they could have said
their storage charges had reached so much that they'd sold the car to recover their costs. Something like that anyway - was a long time ago. I
thiiiink I checked with the police. A bit different for me though as I never wanted the V5 - just stripped it and weighed in the rest.
MGF guy - surely the garage owner can seek to recover his costs from the owner through a small claims court. At least the 'storage' costs
(which can be whatever he wants them to be) as they can't be disputed as the owner has refused to come and take away the car??
I can't imagine a valuable car like an M5 is just abandoned though - it's either fubared or there are some good reasons why it's
there and it's not OK for you to take it.
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onenastyviper
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| posted on 12/7/11 at 12:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Liam
Picked up an XR4x4 in similar circumstances years ago. It was abandoned on a petrol station forecourt so I asked about it and looked into it. As it
was on private land the landowner was essentially allowed to authorise me to take it away for them, and had the owner come asking they could have said
their storage charges had reached so much that they'd sold the car to recover their costs. Something like that anyway - was a long time ago. I
thiiiink I checked with the police. A bit different for me though as I never wanted the V5 - just stripped it and weighed in the rest.
MGF guy - surely the garage owner can seek to recover his costs from the owner through a small claims court. At least the 'storage' costs
(which can be whatever he wants them to be) as they can't be disputed as the owner has refused to come and take away the car??
I can't imagine a valuable car like an M5 is just abandoned though - it's either fubared or there are some good reasons why it's
there and it's not OK for you to take it.
Why not ask the owner of the MGF if he would like it back FOC?
If he says yes, the car is gone if he says no then he has taken the first step in not wanting the car.
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