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Starting problems please help!
Ill tell you the whole story to help:
Driving perfectly well,
Then came to a stop at some traffic lights and it was trying to cut out! Had to keep the revs up to prevent it from stalling. Got it off the road to
have a look, went to start it again and it wouldnt start (was turning over fine though)
Towed back to garage, when investigating figured it was an electrical problem because there was no spark so called the aa out! He said it was the
electronic ignition module (little black box next to the distributor) has replaced it and we got a spark.
He proceeded to try and start it for about an hour but gave up blaming the cold weather!
I had look the next day, tried to start it and nothing! Realised the starter solinoid had gone (proberly due to the number of times he tried to start
it). Replaced this.
Now went I go to start (with another car to "jump start" it, so plenty of power) it just chuggs over, it doesnt seem to turn over as it
should, no speed there I dont think! Could the starter motor of gearing have gone?
Sorry for this lengthy post guys but it may just help!
Thanks
Colin
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romer
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| posted on 18/11/05 at 01:05 PM |
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You sure the engine hasn't "nipped up" for some reason?
Water temperature ok?
Any air locks in coolant?
Oil levels?
Might be worth just checking these also if the engine is "sluggish" to turn over even with extra battery power.
Good luck!!
Romer
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Ketchup
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| posted on 18/11/05 at 01:05 PM |
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what car is it for a start? could be an immobilser fault, or a crank sensor failure, as this will stop the ignition/fuel system from working if the
ecu is not getting a signal, or it is out of range.
turn the ignition on without cranking, and keep an ear open for the fuel pump priming buzz... older veedubs have probs with dry joints on the fuel
pump relays, as do many french motors.
just some points to check, start with the basics, can it get air, does it have a spark, is fuel getting through.. blah blah
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xxx
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| posted on 18/11/05 at 01:12 PM |
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cheers guys! yea sorry i forgot to mention its a 1300 xflow! definately fuel getting to it, there is now a spark and air should have no problem
getting in, everything else seems in order.
Colin
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iank
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| posted on 18/11/05 at 01:22 PM |
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If it isn't getting up to speed on the starter I'd check that first. Sounds like it might have been cooked by the extended starting
attempts.
Also check the wiring to the starter to make sure that didn't overheat.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/11/05 at 02:05 PM |
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2 thoughts...
Check your earth connection from the engine to the chassis, as well as the battery leads.
I presume you've got a Bosch electronic dizzy like mine, with an electronic module screwed to the side. When you replaced it, did you put any
heat-conducting paste under it? Not having any won't stop the engine starting, but will shorten the life of the unit. You can get some from
Maplins, if you have one nearby (or get it on-line).
Apart from that, I'd see if a fresh battery will get it going (jump-leads), see if you've drowned it while cranking all the time, etc.
rgds,
David
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JoelP
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| posted on 18/11/05 at 06:49 PM |
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my moneys on the starter, i buggered one on a diesel trying to draw fuel though. Got it rewound for £30 
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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Peteff
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| posted on 18/11/05 at 06:58 PM |
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Check the timing if you've done anything to it. If it's moved and you're too advanced it will be reluctant to turn over. You will
have a spark but in the wrong place.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 18/11/05 at 07:45 PM |
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As already mentioned the ignition timing may be out causing it to sound like a flat battery/faulty starter. Did the AA guy remove the distributor to
fit the module? or turn it to gain access ?.
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xxx
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| posted on 19/11/05 at 08:04 PM |
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Thanks again ,yes he did knock the timing out! I have set it by getting the tdc and lining up the two marks, one on the rotor and one on the outer
circle! this should be roughly set (enough for it to start) yea?
Cheers
Colin
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Baldrick
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| posted on 20/11/05 at 08:30 AM |
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1. re Timing - check you're not 180 deg out - very easy to do. Your other post under engines has lots of good advice re. setting the timing.
2. My starter became very laboured and eventually stopped. Found it was the main +ve connection on the starter itself. The thick braided wire from
the terminal post into the starter had parted company with the terminal. A quick resolder (had to take out starter) and it spins over a treat now.
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RoadkillUK
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| posted on 20/11/05 at 11:44 AM |
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I have just had to replace both the starter motor and the solenoid on my car. I think the starter went first and the the solenoid followed as I
continued to try and start the engine.
The solonoid was only 12 months old but cost about £7.50 to replace and I was lucky as my bro found the starter for £25.00 inc. postage from Ebay.
Been working fine since.
Roadkill - Lee
www.bradford7.co.uk
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xxx
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 06:18 PM |
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So far I have had 2 AA men out, replaced the coil, ignition module, solenoid and the tank of fuel! Still no joy, it is now definately sparking and
getting fuel. It turns over and sort of sounds like it wants to go but then the starter disengages and therefore doesnt start. As a few of you have
suggested Im thinking of getting a new motor, does anyone know where the best place to get one from is? Its for a 1300 xflow!
I found this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-FIESTA-INERTIA-STARTER-MOTOR_W0QQitemZ4610394188QQcategoryZ21654QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Is that what I need? Fair price?
Thanks again!
Colin
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britishtrident
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 06:45 PM |
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Sounds like the ignition is now over advanced.
Reduce the static ignition advance.
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