hearnia
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 04:53 PM |
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SVA fail, braided hoses...
Just got back from my SVA.
Failed on a few things but nothing major, one of the points was that I need to provide paperwork to show that the goodridge hoses I'm using on
my Indy are suitable for automotive use?!?!
Any ideas where I can get hold of it?
Other than that it went pretty well, he started off as a bit of a tyrant but he soon chilled out a bit after we got chatting.
Fingers crossed for a second time pass.
Cheers
Joe
Never compromise on a good earth!
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graememk
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 04:56 PM |
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print your own proof, logos from google etc
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RazMan
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 04:58 PM |
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Don't they have 'Goodridge' printed on outside clear sleeve? I would have thought that would be enough. I guess that if you need
documentation, an email to Goodridge would be a good idea.
Looks like I might need to do the same then because I have got braided lines from the master cylinder right through to the calipers (no solid pipe at
all)
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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muzchap
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 05:03 PM |
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What kind of TESTER is he... ?
GOODRIDGE... a name synoymous with the motor trade.
Did he also struggle to realise who the fcuk FORD were? how about Toyota - he heard of them?
Surprised he didnt ask you to prove your tyre manufacturer was suitable.
Hope I don't get one of them testers - the Goodridge braided hose set was supplied to me by Leggo - who have now been 'broken up'
and put back into their box! 
PS. Congrats on building such a nice looking car! Just checked your archive - looks absolutely mint - and really, really well built! Hope mine
comes out like that 
[Edited on 2/5/06 by muzchap]
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stevec
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 05:09 PM |
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That stinks, what a nob 
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M HIGGS
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 06:30 PM |
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scuttle aeroscreen
sorry about the SVA , nice car could you tell me how you fitted the aeroscreen to the scuttle panel i cant see any fixings
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coozer
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 06:49 PM |
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WoW Thats some gear stick you got there. Did he not complain about that and the lack of coverage on the front suspension?
Steve
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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greggors84
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 06:52 PM |
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This isnt uncommon. Ive heard of a few people having to provide this information.
Goodridge make hoses for everything, some of their products may not be suitable for carrying brake fluid.
Were they the hoses supplied by MK?
I think it depends on what test station you go to, looks like you have been unlucky. As suggested maybe a phone call to goodridge customer services
and ask nicely for a letter. Have you got anything written on the hoses? You might be able to find a goodridge spec sheet. Did he say what he would
accept?
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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pathfinder
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 07:24 PM |
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A very smart looking motor, good work!
Could you give me a little more info on your hoses please! Are they braided all the way to the master cylinder (an idea I like) or are they connected
up to copper pipe? And are they the self made screw together type or the ones that come pre assembled and can’t be disassembled?
Sorry for all the questions but braided hoses always seem to be a grey area and it’s the next job on my list!
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hearnia
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 07:26 PM |
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Thanks for your replies I didnt think about contacting Goodridge. I'll send them an email and ask for a spec sheet or a letter of
confirmation.
His reasoning was that Goodridge also make braided hoses for aeroplane landing gear which apparently have different characteristics, ie. they're
no good as brake hoses. If thats all he has to worry about then I'm not that fussed it means two free Jollys a week up there with no
plates...
Coozer the pics aren't as the car stands they were taken a couple of weeks prior, I've had a knob turned up by my friend and shortened the
shaft (sounds painful).
M HIGGS I just simply glued it on there with some gripfill, its super strong stuff, I just hope it doesnt fly off and take my teeth out at some
point.
Cheers
Joe
Never compromise on a good earth!
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RazMan
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 08:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pathfinder
Could you give me a little more info on your hoses please! Are they braided all the way to the master cylinder (an idea I like) or are they connected
up to copper pipe? And are they the self made screw together type or the ones that come pre assembled and can’t be disassembled?
Mine are a mixture of both custom made (by Goodridge) and modified (by me) You can get alternative fittings to cover all caliper types. I changed my
front calipers to Wilwood 4 pots so I cut off the Ford fittings and retro-fitted the Wilwood jobbies - easy peasy
Having one long length of braided makes the routing easier - no need for fiddly joins & brackets.
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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pathfinder
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 09:29 PM |
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But are the screw together type sva friendly? It’s a lot of money to spend if its not! I’ve got a pair of nice high volume Wilwood master cylinders
that wont pass sva (no liquid level) and having interchangeable fixings would be spot on as I will probably fit these after. The sva is my big concern
what do we recon to the demon thieves build your own braided hoses and fittings!
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RazMan
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 09:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pathfinder
But are the screw together type sva friendly? It’s a lot of money to spend if its not!
I know of at least two cars that have passed without a problem. However individual testers seem to differ on some points.
quote:
Originally posted by pathfinder
I’ve got a pair of nice high volume Wilwood master cylinders that wont pass sva (no liquid level)
I don't think that a visible level is a requirement - I certainly hope not or my custom made reservoir is doomed too!
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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Peteff
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 11:29 PM |
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I have got braided lines from the master cylinder right through to the calipers
I know a rallyist who tried this and went back to solid pipe. The car was piped inside the cockpit and he could see the pipe moving under heavy
braking and he said the braking feel improved after swapping back as well.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 11:44 PM |
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Some braided hoses are for off road use only - sound like the tester knows this.
I had an interesting point raised whereby i had to get proof that my fuel hose was suiatble for fuel. Mac#1 supplied it to me and provided me with a
letter stating what standards it was made to - this was Ok for SVA. ie if you bought hases from eg Mk get them to give you a letter. I think SVA are
just looking for someone to warrant them do they can tick the box.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 07:16 AM |
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Before my SVA I went visiting my local test centres (Norwich and Chelmsford) and took a DIY brake hose fitting with me. Both testers I spoke to said
straight off that they wouldn't be acceptable. I got the impression that they wouldn't query crimped connectors, but would look hard at
anything else. I ended up buying a set of ready-made braided hoses from Merlin, which have crimped-on fittings.
It's also worth looking closely at Think Auto's statement on braided hoses - basically they say that they are OK as long as they are
inspected regularly, but they don't pass the TUV standards as they will fail after very high mileage - eventually the braid will break and may
pierce the inner teflon pipe. We don't do those sorts of mileages but we should still inspect regularly, just in case.
David
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 07:26 AM |
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WHAT A LOAD OF SHITE!!!!!
is this the pettiness its becoming!
I presume you have the MK goodridge hoses as is supplied with the brake kit..
I bet you enjoyed thrashing it there I did with mine
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greggors84
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 01:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zxrlocost
WHAT A LOAD OF SHITE!!!!!
is this the pettiness its becoming!
I would say this was petty really, brake lines a pretty important, i am glad that the SVA people are thorough with this as people could by lines off
ebay or other places where they dont really know what their getting.
Brake fluid is pretty nasty stuff and will degrade alot of materials if they arn't up to the job.
[Edited on 3/5/2006 by greggors84]
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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wilkingj
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 04:54 PM |
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I was speaking with Darren from GTS this morning, and he mentioned this. It appears to be the "in thing" to check at the moment. I wonder
if they will accept the Goodridge bag they came in as its got the goodridge part numbers and states for Luego Viento. I now need to dig thru the
dustbin to find it.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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hearnia
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 09:19 PM |
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To be fair its no big deal, was just wondering where to find the info. I had covered the braided hoses with cable spiral binding and therefore covered
up the label which says they are DOT FMVSS 106 compliant.
Seeing as I had other shitty things that I failed on like the steering wheel (bus wheel now fitted) and other documentation like engine age and speedo
top speed capability I wasnt too bothered about having to go back.
The weather is getting nice though now so I hope it passes next time!
Never compromise on a good earth!
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wilkingj
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 09:32 PM |
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Write to Goodridge with the part numbers asking for a statement of compliance.
You could ask Rally Design, or any other supplier, including the kit supplier.
I have just dug through my rubbish bin, and found the Bag mine came in. It clearly says Goodridge Performance parts, then has a sticker below with the
goodridge part numbers and then says "Luego Viento Brake hose kit"
Hopefully this will be enough.
Hmm may ring the SVA centre to check it is.
Good luck with the re-test.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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darrens
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 09:44 PM |
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is this any use to anyone
details the uses of goodridge hoses
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hearnia
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 09:51 PM |
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I simply printed off a page from the web after searching on google for DOT FMVSS 106.
Thats the motor vehicle safety standard for brake hoses and I have found that on my hoses there is a little yellow label saying 'Goodridge Type
1 FMVSS 106'.
I hope the bloke at the SVA place is clued up about the specific regs (I imagine he would be) and will therefore let it pass.
Never compromise on a good earth!
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wilkingj
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 10:03 PM |
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Bugger... my hoses just Say Goodridge and Nowt else... just been and looked
Looks like a letter to Goodridge.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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rally design
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 08:42 AM |
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Automotive use,brake hoses
The requirement to specify that the Goodridge hose is suitable for Automotive use seems to be the current fad of the SVA inspector at Gillingham.I
have had to write several letters on behalf of SVA applicants to state that Goodridge 600 series hose is suitable for Automotive use.If the hose was
bought through Rally Design I would gladly confirm against a supply invoice that this hose is used widely in the auto industry.
Hope this helps
Rally Design
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