bilbo
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 posted on 1/7/06 at 08:54 AM |
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Type 9 Max Power/Torque
Apologies if this topic has already come up, but I don't seem to be able to find anything in the search.
I'm just wondering the sort of maximum power and torque a type 9 would be able to put up with before it err...snapped?
At least one person has said "no..no..no..NO" when I suggested bolting one to my current engine choice. Just interested in what the
general consensus is?
Thanks,
Bill
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zilspeed
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| posted on 1/7/06 at 09:10 AM |
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How much grip will you have, and how heavy will the car be ?
These two factors are every bit as relevant as engine grunt.
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joneh
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| posted on 1/7/06 at 09:12 AM |
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According to zetec inside it'll take around 200BHP
http://www.zetecinside.com/xr2/gearbox.htm
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bilbo
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| posted on 1/7/06 at 09:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
How much grip will you have, and how heavy will the car be ?
These two factors are every bit as relevant as engine grunt.
I'm building a 'book' locost (including windscreen) if that's any help? I would guess around 600kg including my rather heavy
engine?
oh, as for grip, probably 185s on the back, but I may consider 205s
[Edited on 1/7/06 by bilbo]
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bilbo
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| posted on 1/7/06 at 09:20 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by joneh
According to zetec inside it'll take around 200BHP
http://www.zetecinside.com/xr2/gearbox.htm
 Might be a bit close then as my engine is 197bhp stock
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donut
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| posted on 1/7/06 at 09:34 AM |
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There are 'beefed up' type 9's out there but can't remember what car they were put in.
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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Dave Bailey
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| posted on 1/7/06 at 09:37 AM |
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Give Brian a ring at BGH Geartech. These guys know all about this gearbox. They have checked mine and fitted a long first gear and HD bearing. I asked
them to make it o.k. for 200BHP although I am fitting an st170 engine into my car.
Dave B.
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APR
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| posted on 1/7/06 at 12:21 PM |
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hi dave
how much did they charge you for this service, and what ratio on 1 did you go for?
Adrian
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cidersurfer
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| posted on 1/7/06 at 02:15 PM |
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High revs kill the type 9 pretty quickly too. BGH will be able to advise 
shimming solid lifters is a job for a friend...
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SixedUp
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| posted on 1/7/06 at 07:57 PM |
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When Brian did my type 9 he was a lot less interested in the power, than the torque. The HD bearing that he fits is (I think) from a Granada or
Scorpio ?? However, I'd echo the previous comment --- give Brian a ring, or better yet, go visit him. He's an old-school engineer, who
*really* knows his stuff. He's also a very friendly bloke, with a constantly boiling kettle, and a delight to talk to.
Cheers
Richard
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DIY Si
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 10:08 PM |
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As said, bhp does not kill boxes. Torque and high revs will though. No idea what the type 9 will take, but it was bolted to the colougne 2.9 v6, so
shouldn't be too bad.
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chriscook
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 10:17 PM |
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power = torque * revs!!!!!
The heavier duty type 9s were fitted behind 2.8 and 2.9 V6s in capris and sierras. They can be identified by an additional stub below the input shaft
(unless its a very early one like the one I gave to BGH). BGH can make the standard onws heavier duty but the ratios are dependant on whether they
start with a 2.8 box or a 2l box.
See www.bghgeartech.co.uk
I picked up a box from them yesterday and am happy with the advise and service. Not fitted it yet so can't actually comment on the box but
i'm sure it'll be fine and they do offer warranty.
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Megatron-UK
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| posted on 5/7/06 at 09:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chriscook
power = torque * revs!!!!!
The heavier duty type 9s were fitted behind 2.8 and 2.9 V6s in capris and sierras. They can be identified by an additional stub below the input shaft
(unless its a very early one like the one I gave to BGH). BGH can make the standard onws heavier duty but the ratios are dependant on whether they
start with a 2.8 box or a 2l box.
See www.bghgeartech.co.uk
I picked up a box from them yesterday and am happy with the advise and service. Not fitted it yet so can't actually comment on the box but
i'm sure it'll be fine and they do offer warranty.
At the end of the day though, those Cologne and Essex lumps were pretty dire compared to modern engines - I used to have an XR4x4 with the 2.8
Cologne, and they were only rated at 160bhp / 160lbft - and that was more than the Capri.
I think for road use a rebuilt T9 should cope with a standard turbocharged T-series, just. If you're uprating it or planning on doing any track
days I think you'll kill it pretty sharpish. The 20XE in my mk1 Escort has started to make my T9 a little sloppy (as well as breaking the
selector to reverse) in just a handful of track days. I'd guess that's probably roughly halfway between the power of a Cologne and your
T-series (say ~170bhp).
I'd serisously look at a completely rebuilt box, possibly including uprated internals from someone like Quaife or Tran-X.
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