pajsh
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 02:59 PM |
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Why Pinto Power ????
OK so I've passed SVA and hopefully in a few weeks I'll have my age related plate for the 1.6 sierra doner.
So onto phase 2 which is the 205 block 2.0l I stored away which I planned to rebuild and upgrade.
However, as I cannot do any of the machining work myself I've costed it up and reckon on around £1,500 to do a half decent job.
That is around £750 for a new cam, larger valves, unleaded mods and porting and £750 for bore out to 2.1, lighten & balance the flywheel and
generally refurb the bottom end.
It seems I may only see 150 bhp so the question is why?
For similar money I could probably pick up a zetec or similar and get more power, more up to date engineering and less weight.
The only downside I can see is modifying it to fit the Type 9 box.
Or am I missing something????
I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.
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UncleFista
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 03:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pajsh
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The only downside I can see is modifying it to fit the Type 9 box.
Or am I missing something????
You seem to be missing the fact that the Zetec bolts straight up to a Type9, it's the Duratec that doesn't 
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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JoelP
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 03:15 PM |
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i guess you would have to be a fan of the old pinto engine.  Based on your figures, the zetec seems a much better choice, and a lot cheaper even
allowing for stuff like new flywheels and starters etc.
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scottc
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 03:19 PM |
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I think the zetec would be a better choice.
Don't forget the exhaust is on the other side (compared with the Pinto)
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ruskino80
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 03:20 PM |
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i rebiult a pinto on my first build wished i never bothered noisy old heavy lumps and low on power.
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 03:26 PM |
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The other major point to remember is that you will have to source an electronic ignition system for the Zetec at the very least.
There is no provision for a dstributor.
You would also need to go fuel Inj to release the sort of power figures you are talking (150 BHP)
This will definately involve you in at least £300 for a basic single throttle body and plenum setup with megasquirt. Up to £1000+ for an off the shelf
package.
Not trying to put you off but you should consider all the options/facts before deciding.
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!! 
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Hellfire
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 03:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pajsh
OK so I've passed SVA and hopefully in a few weeks I'll have my age related plate for the 1.6 sierra doner.
So onto phase 2 which is the 205 block 2.0l I stored away which I planned to rebuild and upgrade.
However, as I cannot do any of the machining work myself I've costed it up and reckon on around £1,500 to do a half decent job.
That is around £750 for a new cam, larger valves, unleaded mods and porting and £750 for bore out to 2.1, lighten & balance the flywheel and
generally refurb the bottom end.
It seems I may only see 150 bhp so the question is why?
For similar money I could probably pick up a zetec or similar and get more power, more up to date engineering and less weight.
The only downside I can see is modifying it to fit the Type 9 box.
Or am I missing something????
Bike Engine power - That's what you're missing. More power, cutting edge technology and considerably less weight. Even has it's own
gearbox incorporated into the engine.
Phil
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indykid
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 04:11 PM |
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get a BDA!
crackle, pop, bbbbbwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaa!
tom
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zetec7
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 05:32 PM |
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I say go with the Zetec...easy 170 bhp on Webers/bike carbs, ignition is simple through John Ehrlich (altechprec@yahoo.com) with three wire connection
with no mapping, etc. Zetec is light, with WAY more torque than any bike motor...remember, it's torque that gets you moving. And if you ever
want to upgrade, Ford made a stock version that made 275 bhp!
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 05:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by indykid
get a BDA!
crackle, pop, bbbbbwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaa!
tom
Nahhh BDG
Krackle, POp, bbbBBBBBBWWWWWWAAAAaaaaaaaaaah
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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mat.price
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 05:45 PM |
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if your going to bore the engine and rebuild it from the bottom upwards why not use cosworth parts? after all the 205 block is the some as sierra
cosworth 2wd
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Toady1
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 05:48 PM |
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id go zetec, or at least thats pob wat I will be doin!
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RichardK
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 06:19 PM |
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Think your fuel tank might need a return line putting in as well.
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 06:32 PM |
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I think your estimated machinig costs are way over the top. I was offered a rebore to 2.1 and skim the block for £80......
Also I know of 2.0l inj engines with nothing more than a cam change and twin 45 delortos which are producing around 150Bhp at the flywheel.
Don't discount the Pinto so easily...
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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roadboy
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 06:45 PM |
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No choice go Zetec, why use ancient technology get easy clean power.
Cheers
Ian
Jude Performance Services
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Hellfire
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 07:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zetec7
...... Zetec is light, with WAY more torque than any bike motor...remember, it's torque that gets you moving.
Not that old torque chestnut again!! What some BEC's lack in torque, they more than make up for in RPM.
Phil
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 07:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Bike Engine power - That's what you're missing. More power, cutting edge technology and considerably less weight. Even has it's own
gearbox incorporated into the engine.
Phil
No reverse gear so it means getting out and pushing. Unless of course you can get a reliable 150bhp and a reverse box for £1500?
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Hellfire
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 07:08 PM |
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But why would you want to go backwards??
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 08:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
But why would you want to go backwards??
I was assuming the OP would be using the car on the road, hence the SVA. Personaly I use reverse gear several times a day for getting into or out of
parking spaces, and most especialy out of my very steep driveway (if you drive in forwards you can't get out of the car as there is a wall in
the way).
[Edited on 2/7/06 by MikeRJ]
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alister667
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 08:34 PM |
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I've done about 7000 road miles no with no reverse, I have no plans to fit a reverse box, as it's simply not needed if you're
careful where you park.
The thing weighs about the same as a go-kart anyhow so pushing it is a piece of p*ss!
http://members.lycos.co.uk/alister667/
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 08:58 PM |
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I'd love to see you push it out of my driveway if it weighs more than about 100kg!
Lack of reverse also rules out any autotesting which is a sport where the Locost can excel.
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coozer
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 09:00 PM |
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I thought about all that when I got my pinto donor.
I dumped the pinto thinking bike engine would be the best, however since then I've decided on a 1.8 zetec with bike carbs and megajolt. Fairly
cheap and dead easy to set up.
I expect 155bhp without much work. The amount of cash to be spent on a pinto to get it to 150bhp can see a zetec up to 200bhp.
raining now and cold,
Steve
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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indykid
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 09:57 PM |
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it's been said so many times before that i'm not quite sure why it's being debated.
if you have a cec, it's not going to make economical sense to convert it to bec. the engine bay will need modification, it'll need a plate
in the transmission tunnel for a centre bearing, it'll need a new prop, prop adapter, shift linkage etc etc etc. you're better off
starting new.
you've no chance for bec for £1500, so it pretty much looks like zetec, but imo, your budget will be tight for that conversion too.
tom
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pajsh
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| posted on 2/7/06 at 10:21 PM |
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Seems like noone has really jumped to defend the old pinto so looks like Zetec it is.
I did consider BEC but I think it would be best from scratch. I'm still undecided about the longevity of something that's designed for
pulling around 250Kg having to drag 600Kg.
What I was trying to get at was why and I think that has been answered.
Maybe one of the vintage rally or F2 stock boys might offer me something for my 205 and twin delloto's.
I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.
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Peteff
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| posted on 3/7/06 at 12:05 AM |
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205 engine shouldn't need modifying for unleaded, by the way and the valves are big enough for anything you need.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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