liftarn
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| posted on 21/5/03 at 03:23 PM |
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Clean engine
I live in Sweden and here the emissions requirements are a bit different. Either you can use almost any engine and pay a penalty fee of 7000 SEK
(about 450 GBP) or spend that money on a modern engine, i.e. one with lambda probe, coal canniser and cat.
Currently I'm mostly interested in the MK Indy so it can take a bit larger engines. Obviously a Pinto would be the obvious choise since
that's what it's made for, but there aren't that many Pintos around that fullfill the emissions requirements.
I'm considering Zetec as well as locat engines such as Volvo and the rather bizarre Saab/Opel combination. Any other ideas? What will fit in an
Indy chassis?
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 21/5/03 at 09:53 PM |
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perhaps someone thats using a zetec can answer, but lets see if I can provoke a response for you.
Dont use a zetec.
They are crap.
Its a woosies engine.
Seriously, I have read that to get one working, you need to make a few mods to the setup like ecu, clutch, whatever, and I once saw on here quite a
costly detailed list of what needs doing.
you will also need a cat to meet your rules I recon and thats gonna be hard to position.
You might be better / cheaper paying the surcharge.
Someone with a zetec step forward please!
atb
steve
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liftarn
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| posted on 22/5/03 at 07:27 AM |
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CVH?
What about the CVH then? I was reccomended a EFI from an Escort XR3i or any post 1991 Escort. It's said to fit the Mk1/Mk2 Escort gearbox.
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 22/5/03 at 08:29 AM |
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I know Martin at MK built at least two full examples with Zetec in, I have a couple of photos. I think the only mod was to lower plenum chamber to
fit under bonnet on earlier car, it may even fit under taller Indy!
Rob Lane
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 22/5/03 at 08:32 AM |
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These are Zetec. (hope this works)
 
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 22/5/03 at 08:34 AM |
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Should have been two, ah well :-
 
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Simon
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| posted on 22/5/03 at 08:49 AM |
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If you have to pay a penalty for a "dirty" engine, would such engines not be cheap.
Therefore, give the taxman his bit, and go for any engine you like!
Perhaps?
ATB
Simon
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liftarn
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| posted on 22/5/03 at 09:16 AM |
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Actualy the penalty fee is just for amateur build vehicles so it really don't have any noticable inpact on the pricing. Ofcourse older engines
is cheaper just because they are older, but I think the 7000 can more than enough make up for the difference in cost (I suppose that's the
idea).
cost of fold engine + 7000 > cost of new engine
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 22/5/03 at 09:18 AM |
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Rob
I thought I had seen on here stuff like you need an ECU mod to make it work outside of a mondeo, cos its part of the security system. Plus gearbox
shaft lenghts, clutches, and a whole loada other ancilliary crap.
I didnt imagine it.....im sure......could be that the carb conversion is a major cost in the 1000 quid I have in my head.
atb
steve
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Rob Lane
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| posted on 22/5/03 at 10:24 AM |
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I think both cars used 5 speeds from Sierras.
The ECU was from early cars maybe? Martin knows, he was telling me details and I was all fired up to use one but had reports of many engines from
breakers failing after short mileage. maybe they already had many miles on clock anyway!
He didn't do anything spectacular but he did lower plenum.
I found out about the 4 age in meantime and liked that better.
Would really like that 20v in for sale section, yummy!
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Cussed
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| posted on 22/5/03 at 04:51 PM |
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Zetec cost
I'm sure I've seen cost sheets for converting a zetec to run in a Tiger Cat which ran to thousands (someone called Toyne I think). As I
remember there were problems with the ECU , gearbox mating, problems changing from transverse to longitudinal engine arrangement......
If it really isn't a problem to do it then why isn't it more popular? I'd have though a 150bhp 2 litre zetec would be preferable
to a 100bhp 2 litre pinto anyday?
Eddie
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liftarn
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| posted on 23/5/03 at 07:50 AM |
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DOHC?
I'm confused. Some Sierras are said to have the DOHC engine. Is that another engine altogether or just a version of the Pinto?
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Cussed
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| posted on 23/5/03 at 11:25 AM |
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DOHC confusion
Hello,
The Double OverHead Cam (DOHC) engine is different again to the Pinto and the Zetec. It was bought in around 1989 to replace the pinto in the
sierra (details of which models/dates had it are on a site called crustworld I think).
It isn't very popular. It seems to have not got the benefits of either the pinto (easily tuned and all potential problems have already been
experienced by other people) or the zetec (much more power than the pinto).
Eddie
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James
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| posted on 23/5/03 at 11:29 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by liftarn
I'm confused. Some Sierras are said to have the DOHC engine. Is that another engine altogether or just a version of the Pinto?
Aswell as the Pinto the Sierra had the DOHC 8valve. It's a completely different block from the Pinto.
Most people here say it's awful, a few say it's ok.
HTH,
James
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liftarn
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| posted on 23/5/03 at 12:11 PM |
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DOHC
Ok, I looked into it and the DOHC seems quite decent. Perhaps not very tunable or powerfull, but it fullfills the emissions requirements and should
provide more than enough power for a seven for road use.
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Jon Bradbury
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| posted on 23/5/03 at 01:07 PM |
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I think it has a better torque curve than the Pinto... on the other hand it might not. I'll let you know when my build is complete.
In about 10 years..
JonB
PS, Crustworld is at http://www.crustworld.co.uk/
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liftarn
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| posted on 4/6/03 at 10:01 AM |
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Saab / Opel
At http://error.netilium.org/~lupus/ there are som pictures of a Locost build with Saab engine and Opel
Omega gearbox. Very tempting, but perhaps not for beginners.
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ned
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| posted on 4/6/03 at 10:25 AM |
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maybe a useful link on sierra engines:
http://www.crustworld.co.uk/sierra/techspec/engines.html
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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liftarn
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| posted on 4/6/03 at 12:14 PM |
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Pinto, CVH, DOHC
Yes, I've read that text, but obviously Sierras with CVH weren't sold in Sweden or are at least very rare so for a clean Sierra engine
ith's either the 89-90 Pinto or DOHC.
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liftarn
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| posted on 4/6/03 at 01:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Lane
These are Zetec.
The exhaust on the left side may be a problem in a left hand drive car...
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