DarrenW
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 09:34 PM |
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Is UK part of Europe????? Discuss
EV would certainly say no.
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StevieB
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 09:38 PM |
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Geographically, yes
Economically - halfway house between Europe and US
Socially - not even close!
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bigrich
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 09:39 PM |
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we don,t seem to be in the Eurovision either" nil poins"
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nib1980
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 09:40 PM |
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I'm just listening to terry, he makes me laugh every time!
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I love speed :-P
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 09:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bigrich
we don,t seem to be in the Eurovision either" nil poins"
not anymore 
Don't Steal
The Government doesn’t like the competition
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bigrich
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 09:49 PM |
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praise the lord for Malta
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matt.c
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 10:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chris mason
Wogan makes it entertaining,
to be honest no other country likes us, the EU would be a poorer place without us though, shut all doors to the immigrants and look after ourselves,
stop wasting money fighting other peoples battles and we'd be ok.
it's like a England v's Scotland/Wales/Ireland thing, just like the rest of europe they don't like too see us do well, eurovision is
Uk based, but because England is part of the Uk, Thats it.
Stuff em!!!!!
Chris
Well said that man!! I wish you would run the country!
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Alez
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 10:18 PM |
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Pardon??? You guys have to be joking 
The UK is part of the EU, and that is not only a reality (like it or not) but also a clear win-win scenario.
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BenB
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 10:21 PM |
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Oh that was fun!!!
Bulgaria had my vote.. Ukraine a close second....
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scottc
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 10:25 PM |
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When did Russia become part of Europe?
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Chippy
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 10:27 PM |
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Actualy the UK is not part of anything, as its just a load of parts itself, England, Scotland, Wales, and N/Irland, all of whome wish to go there own
way. Next we will be having home rule for Yorkshire, (or some other county) all seems bl**dy stupid to me. That old saying keeps coming to mind,
"United we stand, divided we fall". Heck! must get a bigger soap box. Ray.
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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BenB
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| posted on 12/5/07 at 10:46 PM |
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Of course if Wales, Scotland, Yorkshire, Kent, Essex and Suffolk did become seperate countries then we would win 
Same as the way that ex-Yugoslavian or ex-Russian countries will win EV for the next millenium cos there are so many countries with common social
backgrounds...
Oh well... All supposed to be a bit of fun!!
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RK
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 02:40 AM |
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None of my business what goes on over there. I'm from the colonies.
However, I think you get a group of people together and sooner or later there will be some git who tries to find differences: one's got bluer
eyes, the other's got darker skin, different religion, etc etc. I personally didn't think much of the Irish who have immigrated to Canada.
Then, my sister did a genealogical study, and sure enough: "we're part Irish". Well, I'll be darned.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 07:17 AM |
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europe?where,s that?
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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wilkingj
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 08:57 AM |
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Unfortunately we are part of the EU.
IMHO we should.
1. Withdraw ALL our troops, and then use them to actively guard our own borders, to prevent Illegal entry. I have no problem with Legal imigration.
2. Those that have NOT had their Asylum cases approved / accepted, should be shipped out of the country back to where they came from within 7 days.
3. Stop Paying any Foreign Aid. Then use the money to fix our own problems in the UK.
I have no problem with Foreign Aid, but Charity starts at Home. Especially whilst we have homeless and sick people not getting proper teatment in the
NHS Lottery etc.
4. Anyone coming to live in the UK should NOT be eligible for ANY benefits until they have paid UK Taxes and NI for (say) 5 years.
They were not born here, so have not contributed to the country. Why should they drain its resources.
Radical? Maybe.. But why should we house, feed, and pay people to come here and live.
Perhaps then the number of people wanting to live in the country would fall, and then the congestion on the roads, and the pressure on the NHS and
schools would lessen making it a better place to live.
[Edited on 13/5/2007 by wilkingj]
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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smart51
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 09:12 AM |
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the UK is much more European than American in its outlook, despite our fondness of their music and films. Scratch the surface of America to see
what's underneath and we would strongly dislike what we see.
Europe is not a homogenous whole though. Britain is more like north west Europe than the south or east. If we engaged with the EU more, as the joint
2nd biggest country (with France) things would go a lot more our way. It seems, politically at least, that we deliberatly stay at arms length and
then whinge that we don't like the decisions that the others came to.
As for Russia, Europe extends as far as the Ural mountains, well inside Russia; more so than Turkey or Israel.
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24vseven
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 10:48 AM |
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i only have on thought about this whole uk europe debate
our parents grandparents and greatrandparents didnt fight and in somecases loose there lifes four our indipendence to have it taken away rom us by the
back door politics with people trying to create a super country
we are surrounded by water for a reason we are our own country with our own customs and way of life
up the fish and chips and a pint of propper bitter
i realise not everyone out there will agree with me we are all adults and capeable of respecting other peoples oppinions with out starting a war about
it
anyway thats my piece said now wheres that bloody menu i need to order a kebeb
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StevieB
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 11:17 AM |
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The UK has the finest armed forces in the world for one reason alone - there's only been one day that UK troops haven't been involved in
an armed conflict on any scale - the day after the Suez Crisis was over. Bring them home and we lose all that experience.
As for the rest, watch the film Children of Men - it portrays a very harsh reality of exactly what you just suggested!
quote:
Originally posted by wilkingj
Unfortunately we are part of the EU.
IMHO we should.
1. Withdraw ALL our troops, and then use them to actively guard our own borders, to prevent Illegal entry. I have no problem with Legal imigration.
2. Those that have NOT had their Asylum cases approved / accepted, should be shipped out of the country back to where they came from within 7 days.
3. Stop Paying any Foreign Aid. Then use the money to fix our own problems in the UK.
I have no problem with Foreign Aid, but Charity starts at Home. Especially whilst we have homeless and sick people not getting proper teatment in the
NHS Lottery etc.
4. Anyone coming to live in the UK should NOT be eligible for ANY benefits until they have paid UK Taxes and NI for (say) 5 years.
They were not born here, so have not contributed to the country. Why should they drain its resources.
Radical? Maybe.. But why should we house, feed, and pay people to come here and live.
Perhaps then the number of people wanting to live in the country would fall, and then the congestion on the roads, and the pressure on the NHS and
schools would lessen making it a better place to live.
[Edited on 13/5/2007 by wilkingj]
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chrisg
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 11:32 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Chippy
Actualy the UK is not part of anything, as its just a load of parts itself, England, Scotland, Wales, and N/Irland, all of whome wish to go there own
way. Next we will be having home rule for Yorkshire, (or some other county) all seems bl**dy stupid to me. That old saying keeps coming to
mind, "United we stand, divided we fall". Heck! must get a bigger soap box. Ray.
That, my friend, is a cracking idea!
Cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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Alan B
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 11:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
.......... Scratch the surface of America to see what's underneath and we would strongly dislike what we see.......................
Would you care to elaborate?
I'm puzzled.
I've lived here 13 years, and although not perfect, it's a great place to live.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 12:07 PM |
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My VERY personal opinion is that we should jump into Europe with both feet, and lead from the front (just like France and Germany).
It's our pussy-footing about that stops it working for us.
IMHO.
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24vseven
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 12:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
My VERY personal opinion is that we should jump into Europe with both feet, and lead from the front (just like France and Germany).
IMHO.
David dont get me wrong i respect your opinion but are these not the two countrys who have repeatdly tryed to take over europe before this time there
using politics rather than war
like i say our relitves fought to stop this now people want to forget all this
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 02:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 24vseven
David dont get me wrong i respect your opinion but are these not the two countrys who have repeatdly tryed to take over europe before this time there
using politics rather than war
like i say our relitves fought to stop this now people want to forget all this
That's why I'd prefer that we were keeping them busy in the Euro parliament than on the battlefield!
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24vseven
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 04:51 PM |
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That's why I'd prefer that we were keeping them busy in the Euro parliament than on the battlefield!
David fair point lol
any one suggest some strange laws we can put to them to keep them busy
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Peteff
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| posted on 13/5/07 at 06:21 PM |
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any one suggest some strange laws we can put to them to keep them busy
It seems the banana straighteners and Hoover silencers are all over there thinking of laws for us to follow while ignoring them themselves. Every time
anyone mentions stopping subsidies for French farmers the place goes haywire. If
this plan ever come together we will be able to travel from UK to
America without getting our feet wet.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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