myeates
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 06:52 PM |
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VX220 crash due to lack of experience
hi guys mate of mine had a small accident this morning ended up in loosing the rear end of his VX and swaped ends several times, thing is he only had
it a week. no injuries, very tough cars underneath.
he had the front wheel rip off and rear suspension rip apart during impact 
shows what can happen with inexperience he never drove a rear wheel drive car before this one check the links from my pictures below
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php?action=showphoto&photo=21092007.jpg
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php?action=showphoto&photo=3DSC00356.jpg
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arrybradbury
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 06:55 PM |
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WOAH  glad he's alright, looks nasty! Just a case of a greasy surface and not much practise with RWD??
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 06:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by myeates
hi guys mate of mine had a small accident this morning
Tell him he better not have a big or even normal accident then!! The aerial on the roof looks intact there anyway!!
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myeates
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 07:01 PM |
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actually felt sick when got there to pick him up. i think he was showing off to his pasenger who has a Fury but went a bit one in damp conditions.
would of been worse i think if it was a normal car. the doors still open a shut and chassis looks ok (apart from the suspension) could be useful  he
says he wont have another !!
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BenB
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 07:01 PM |
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DEfinately a 2nd hand motor 
Nasty!!!
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SeaBass
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 07:02 PM |
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Too late for T-Cut??
Look like he must have been spinning like a top to do that. What did he hit? I can't see anything in the pics apart from hedges etc.
Cheers
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Peteff
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 07:12 PM |
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A friend of a friend did the same in his MR2 last month but he went down a bank and if it hadn't been for a friendly tree he would have been in
a river. He's found a car on ebay with the engine seized so he's going back for another try.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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arrybradbury
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 07:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by myeates
.... would of been worse i think if it was a normal car...... he says he wont have another !!
Surely that's a good enough reason to have something that stands up well when you do that! Or is he off mid engined cars all together now??
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 07:40 PM |
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Good donor though
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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myeates
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 07:41 PM |
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he is used to front wheel drive so is off mid engined dont know why there great fun he just needed to be more careful.
the lorry looked like a skip lorry when driving away with all the bits on the back
the hedge and weeds in the picture are actually covering a 3 foot ditch he lost the rear and clipped the oposite bank of the ditch not far behind the
car in the middle of the road. spun into the ditch before bouncing off in to the road there was a lot of energy in the first initail hit
[Edited on 21/9/07 by myeates]
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myeates
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 08:11 PM |
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bet the engines still good at least and the instruments would be great for a locost a nice stack display
quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
Good donor though
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AndyH
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 08:16 PM |
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Defo Donor time
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Toady1
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 08:24 PM |
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shit!!! looks a right mess! the roads are really slippery at the mo! as i found out last night!
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myeates
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 08:33 PM |
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they are, there hasnt been much water for a while and they hav just soaked it all in i think, hope it wasnt too major when you found out
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ed_crouch
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 09:11 PM |
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First RWD i drove was a 4 litre 'Stang in Florida. Had it 3 months, and even after that amount of time it scared the hell out of me in the wet.
It was LETHAL.
Good fun in the dry, but when it rained it was SO twitchy.
One morning I had it fishtail by about 45degrees 5 times before I managed to catch it. I saw the car that was following me (A black VW Jetta...)
through the drivers door window, just by the wing mirror! Proper sideways. That woke me up...
Ed.
[Edited on 21/9/07 by ed_crouch]
I-iii-iii-iii-ts ME!
Hurrah.
www.wings-and-wheels.net
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BenB
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 09:12 PM |
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I think the problem is that when there hasn't been any rain for a while you get a film of oil on top of the road. First rain in a while just
sits on top of it....
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 09:21 PM |
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Yep - first rain after a dry spell always brings the oil and rubber to the top... I wiped out a motorbike many years ago, because of that...
As for RWD - it's a driving skill that has to be learned, which is why experienced RWD drivers on here always recommend caution to
newly-approved locosts. It's so easy to give it some welly, then get it all wrong on a tight corner... I was fortunate in that I learnt to
drive on RWD cars, so the 'rules' are hard-wired into my brain.
'Slow in, fast out' and 'don't upset the car half-way through a corner' are rules that don't get taught to FWD
drivers...
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RazMan
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 09:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
'Slow in, fast out' and 'don't upset the car half-way through a corner' are rules that don't get taught to FWD
drivers...
In a nutshell David! I used to drum it into my biker students when I was an instructor. First rain = potential pain
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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Fozzie
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| posted on 21/9/07 at 10:21 PM |
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Spot on David! 
It wasn't for nothing, that when a VX220 was purchased from new, a day of driver training at Jonathan Palmers track was thrown in!
As you rightly say, those of us of a 'certain age' learned to drive RWD. Personally I prefer RWD, but even so, the VX220 (well the Turbo,
I don't know about the NA as in the crashed one above), is a car that needs driving with care until you are used to it in all conditions.
I love the 'drive' but it is not everyones 'cup of tea'......
So very glad that no one was hurt in the prang.
ATB Fozzie 
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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bimbleuk
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| posted on 22/9/07 at 06:35 AM |
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The Elise/VX220 quite often look a lot worse after an accident becaue the GRP and composite crash structure do their job and disintergrate absorbing
the impact very well.
I've found you need to be confident o your ability with certain RWD cars such as the VX220/Elise. If you're unsure or even scared of the
car you'll hesitate or freeze when something unexpected happens and then it's already too late.
My MR2 turbo having more mass tended to be much more ponderous when stepping out. The Elise would sometimes almost swap ends within its own length on
track! Training or at least track time highly recommended.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 22/9/07 at 07:32 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
'Slow in, fast out' and 'don't upset the car half-way through a corner' are rules that don't get taught to FWD
drivers...
Again, spot on!!!
RWD is always better because you can FEEL the limit, where FWD pollutes the steering feel with trying to maintain traction.
After my brief spell with a 205gti I have vowed never to own another FWD car.
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 22/9/07 at 07:58 AM |
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I had a 'driving experience' session in a Pug 306Gti at Silverstone a while ago - I could NOT get used to the idea of changing gear
half-way through that long sweeping curve after the straight. Tyres screaming, me forced into the side of the seat, throttle wide open... and the
instructor going 'go on! change up!'.
Totally alien to everything I had been taught.
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gottabedone
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| posted on 22/9/07 at 08:09 AM |
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I wonder what the testosterone level was if he was trying to show a Fury owner how to do it. Fury's are good handling cars at the best of times
so he must have been pushing on some!!
Was the Fury owner in the car as well or in his own car?
I bet he hit a big downer when the adrenalin finally left - glad he's OK though.
Steve
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myeates
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| posted on 22/9/07 at 08:54 AM |
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fury owner was in car but now says never going in the same car again after that. VX driver was wishing he had learnt how to drive the thing now. i
think they both will be more careful now. the vx here was the Lightning limited edition with 170bhp and was a bit of an animal especially for a first
time.
i would love to have been in it around a track with someone who knows what they are doing they have great potential in the hands of a poffesional
having never driven a front engine rwd car before till mine is on the road and will deffinately be learning how to drive it after seeing what happens
with inexperience
[Edited on 22/9/07 by myeates]
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 22/9/07 at 08:57 AM |
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was it a local road ?
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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