Vdub boy
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 08:37 AM |
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Sorn problems
I recently took my Dax Rush off the road (late Nov 07) and returned the tax disc for a refund as I had 3months left to run. Along with the refund form
I filled the sorn declaration in. About 2 weeks later I had I cheque back from the DVLA, but no confirmation of it being sorn'ed. Anyway I
thought no more about it until I had a later on Friday from the dvla saying I had not sorn'ed the vechicle and was liable for a £110 fine
(reduced to £70 if I pay before March). If I am to avoid paying the fine I have to provide the sorn confirmation letter - which I never received, but
they must have received my sorn application as it was with the licence refund form. They don't accept phonecalls only letters, so do I pay the
reduced fine as knowing the dvla it will be 6 weeks before they reply to any letter I send them ( inccurring me for the higher fine),and then argue
over it.
The only evidence I have is my bank statement that shows a cheque for the refunded amount.
Any help/advice ?
cheers
Leigh
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zilspeed
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 08:54 AM |
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Letter off to them today, sent by recorded delivery detailing all of the above.
At least dispute the case with them before going any further.
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bonzoronnie
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 posted on 10/2/08 at 08:56 AM |
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SORN
I had a similar problem about 2 years ago.
A Fixed penalty for not declaring SORN On a donor car parked in my drive.
Although I had no proof that I had sent the paperwork off. I wrote to them and explained the following.
The date I posted the SORN notification.
Where it was posted.
The name of the person who posted it.
A witness statement ( Signed ) from the person who posted. Confirming it had been posted.
In my letter I stated it was my view that an admin error had occured.
Furthermore, my leagal obligation to notify SORN had been met.
The fine was waived.
In your case. You have very strong evidence to back up your claim.
I would write to them as soon as possible.
Ronnie
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david4
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 09:05 AM |
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Hi Leigh to save time you would have to take your bank statement as evidence to a DVLA centre we do have one in leeds and explain what has happend .
If you do you will be there some time maybe 45 mins or so not the best place,s at times and also get the person,s name who see,s you just in case it
goes wrong. as i also am having big big problems with the DVLA.
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bonzoronnie
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 09:22 AM |
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Look at the paperwork carefully.
I seem to remember that a different branch of DVLA collect the fines.
I wrote to the actual fine collecting office.
You may be bounced arround if you write to DVLA Swansea.
I'd second the use of Recorded Delivery.
Ronnie
[Edited on 10/2/08 by bonzoronnie]
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MikeR
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 09:28 AM |
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I had something similar. I sent a cheque to the DVLA with a letter saying something like,
I object to this fine for reasons a / b / c but have included a cheque for the reduced amount as proof that i am a law abiding citizen. If you agree
that this fine is in error please destroy the cheque. I got a letter back a few days later with a sorn document backdated.
They are nice people, just sometimes the computer / process messes them about.
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Danozeman
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 10:22 AM |
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I have a similar thinggoing on at the minute.
I bought a car in november which was taxed til the end of november. I took it off the road to do some work on it but couldnt declare it sorn because
there was a problem with the V% and they wouldnt do it. Got a letter last week saying the wankers want to fine me 80 quid or 40 if i pay up quickly
because i hadent declared it. Which was there fault becuase i didnt have the v5 or anything and they would do it.
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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panichat
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 10:50 AM |
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Me too
Demand for payment arrived 3 days ago.
I'm certain that I sorted it out when I reclaimed the car tax, but of course I have no proof. I've sent the cheque with an angry letter.
Dave
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iank
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 12:46 PM |
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No help for the above, but I do my SORNing online now. You get an automated email back instantly to confirm.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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mcerd1
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 12:46 PM |
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I had sent off the V5 for one of my cars (to get it in my name)
the car had been off the road for so long that the previous owner didn't need a SORN - but after being told it would be at the discretion of the
local officer as to whether or not I'd need a SORN (its a bit of a grey area) - I decided I'd be safer to stick it on a SORN myself
Some of the SORN forms have a box to tick if your sending it with a V5 - but the ones in the post office didn't have this - so I sent the SORN
application a couple of days after the V5 (but dated the same day)
but of course - the SORN still got processed first, and I got a letter back 2 / 3 weeks later (long after I got the new V5) saying I couldn't
put it on a SORN because I wasn't the registered keeper 
anyway I phoned them up, and they couldn't find a record of the letter they had just sent me (I had to send/ fax them a copy I think) - and
guess what - the car was going to have to go on a SORN or I'd be getting a fine in a weeks time (so much for discretion) 
anyway they told me that if I declared it SORN again - it would be back dated - and that I'd better use the automatic phone line one to get it
done quick
but I don't know if they had to do something to get it backdated or not ?
I used the phone number on there website and got transferred around a bit before I got an answer
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/contactus/vehicles_enquires.aspx
-Robert
[Edited on 10/2/08 by mcerd1]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 02:52 PM |
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Seems to be major clamp down on SORN -- It seems some bright spark has come up with statistic that 40% of motor cycles aren't taxed --- to
anybody on this forum reason is obvious most bikers (and kit car owners) don't use then through the winter !
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Vdub boy
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| posted on 10/2/08 at 07:43 PM |
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Cheers for all the replies guys, will send a strongly worded letter with all the facts asap.
thanks
Leigh
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DarrenW
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 01:49 PM |
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I had a problem with my donor car after the kit was registered. I recieved the sorn reminder but DVLA should have deleted the car off the system. I
informed them by phone and nowt has happened since.
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Vdub boy
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| posted on 3/4/08 at 05:34 AM |
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A bit of an update, The Dvla say they never received the sorn declaration form only the tax refund form ( I enlosed a seperate sorn form not
realising til after there was a sorn section included on the tax refund fund) I paid the reduced fine but make it clear I wanted the matter looking
into further and the cheque returned when they realised their mistake, however I'm still chasing a response. I m I wasting my time?
cheers
Leigh
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PaulBuz
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| posted on 3/4/08 at 06:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Vdub boy
A bit of an update, The Dvla say they never received the sorn declaration form only the tax refund form ( I enlosed a seperate sorn form not
realising til after there was a sorn section included on the tax refund fund) I paid the reduced fine but make it clear I wanted the matter looking
into further and the cheque returned when they realised their mistake, however I'm still chasing a response. I m I wasting my time?
cheers
Leigh
err...yes.
Been there, done that.
ATB
Paul
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DarrenW
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| posted on 3/4/08 at 06:56 PM |
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Lessons learnt time im afraid;
1. Sorn on line and get immeiate notification, or
2. Do it conventional way, take copy of forms, send off by recorded and put not in your diary to chase up if you dont get the notification after so
many days.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 4/4/08 at 12:42 PM |
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update on my own SORN problems
It turns out that what I was told last year was a load of bull***t
Having been told that I had to put it on a SORN last year because it had changed owners (despite having been off the road scince long before
SORN's existed)
I tried to renew it this year to be told I couldn't even if I wanted to because it has been off the road since before SORN's (last time
its tax expired was in 1984 - when I was 2 )
So as long as it stays off the road I'll never need a SORN for it  , but how come they couldn't just tell me that last year
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Vdub boy
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| posted on 16/7/08 at 08:57 AM |
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Result! DVLA 0 ME 1
Update- after writing serval stroppy letters ( some of which they never replied to ) I finally got a detailed response from the manager of the office
that issued my fine . She apologised for the service I received and is sending my £40 back . I suppose that got fed up of me pestering them but at
least it worked. In future I'm sorning onine, and any letters I send will go recorded delivery.
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