ravingfool
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| posted on 7/12/15 at 11:08 AM |
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buying cars of any kind is just a lesson in losing money 
Best avoided whenever possible!
I'm a bit surprised that you're not able to pick up a deal at this time of the year though - not generally a popular time for buying a car
- but perhaps by December it's too late to alter a salesperson's Christmas bonus?
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beaver34
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| posted on 7/12/15 at 11:13 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ravingfool
buying cars of any kind is just a lesson in losing money
Best avoided whenever possible!
I'm a bit surprised that you're not able to pick up a deal at this time of the year though - not generally a popular time for buying a car
- but perhaps by December it's too late to alter a salesperson's Christmas bonus?
depends on how well they have done, quarter end deals are the best normally if they have not hit there quantity to get there reward back from Ford for
volume, that's when you will get the very best deals in all fairness.
maybe its not the same in used cars?
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owelly
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Play them at their game. If they say they are the cheapest in the country, grab some Autotrader adverts to compete. Play the dealers off against each
other. If they really are the cheapest and they've already trimmed the price on the screen, you'll struggle to get more money off. Try to
get some 'freebies' chucked in to make you feel better!!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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rdodger
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| posted on 7/12/15 at 01:06 PM |
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The example you gave of the car being reduced after a week, 2 weeks etc is pretty typical.
A Dealer Principal (large Ford) I know surprised me a few years ago by telling me they depreciate the stock they hold.
I guess it's obvious really as cars depreciate as we all know but I thought a car would be held on stock at the buy in price and they would look
to make a margin on it.
It seems they worked on a book price and depreciated it in line with the guide they used (Glasses Guide in those days.)
Often after 30 days if they were unsold they would just send them to auction.
His best tip to me was to ask the Sales Manager if he had any 30 day cars he wanted rid of. Trouble is of course popular models won't last 30
days!
Having said all that I have seen cars go up in price too!
[Edited on 7/12/15 by rdodger]
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mcerd1
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| posted on 7/12/15 at 04:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Irony
Just plain run from Evans Halsham. Bunch of utter cowboys.
I wasn't very impressed by them either...
Went to look at a C-max they had in that ticked most of the boxes.
First off I had to put up with nearly 10 min of them asking me about finance deals that I wasn't interested in
Next they wouldn't let me yes drive it without a substantial deposit, and even then only if I effectively agreed to buy the car if nothing was
wrong on the test drive
Then after looking over the car I was convinced that it was ok, but maybe £500 to £1000 overpriced compared to others of the same spec and mileage and
found that they wouldn't do anything to the price - so I told them to shove it
4 weeks later they still had it advertised, but £1000 cheaper ( I'd got another one before then thought)
The other 2 c-max's i looked at were both trade-ins in Vauxhall main dealers (not EH) one was the same price as the EH one, but with 30k less on
the clock and a top spec with all the toys in a nice blue colour.
The other was a slightly lower spec but with 10k less on it and £1300 cheaper
Both of these offered test drives without any hassle or deposit and a little wiggle room on price as well.
In the meantime i got endless calls from EH to see if i was still looking 
[Edited on 7/12/2015 by mcerd1]
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Simon
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| posted on 7/12/15 at 05:12 PM |
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We just bought the wife a Kia Venga SR7 - put about £8k down, £30 / month plus balloon.
So happy with it, me and brothers have stumped up deposit for a Kia Picanto for me mother.
However these people might help
new-car-discount.com
ATB
SImon
[Edited on 7/12/15 by Simon]
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snapper
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| posted on 7/12/15 at 06:56 PM |
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You need to find a Ford employee, they have a voucher system that gets ( depending on model) £1500 off
Then you court the dealership by getting some credit so they get the credit sale and you pay it off at the earliest opportunity
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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Worzey
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| posted on 7/12/15 at 07:53 PM |
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We negotiated almost 15% off a Fiesta ST3 Mountune for SWMBO in the summer and could have got an even better deal on DriveTheDeal.
Given your budget I'd be surprised if you couldn't get a new car for close to the used price if you shop around.
Caterham R400
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rm0rgan
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| posted on 7/12/15 at 08:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rdodger
Have you tried brokers like Drive the deal?
https://www.drivethedeal.com/
^^^This^^^
When I bought a VW Scirocco on PCP, I took the DTD quote to them (I screenshot it as they charge you to print it out, and in fact, any good dealership
will let you do the quote in front of them as evidence of the deal) and simply said "I either order it here, or you beat the price and I order
the car through you - your choice".
Now, at the time, DTD were offering nearly a £5k discount on the Scirocco which included a £1k finance contribution (170, DSG with every possible
option ticked).
The dealership beat the DTD quote by £500 - so now I was £5.5k off a car that was just shy of £30k list price with all the options ticked. I got a new
car for less than I could buy a 2nd hand one off their forecourt with 10,000 miles on it - simply crazy!!
Now, what I didn't realsise was that as I had ticked every option, it was going to be a factory build car that took nearly 4 months to arrive
from the Motherland , however, in the meanwhile VW increased their PCP contribution from £1k to £1.5k which the dealership was obliged to pass on - I
was £6k off list price and paid £24k for a brand new car (plus they chucked in a free tank of derv, 3 years free servicing and mats :-))
I'd never buy a new car from a dealership that wouldn't offer some significant discount - else i'd place the order with DTD or
someone similar .
Sigs are uncool.
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Toys2
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| posted on 7/12/15 at 08:35 PM |
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I get Ford employee discount through my Dad, I don't think that you can fiddle the system, unless you have a very close friend who you would
trust to register your car in their name - I certainly wouldn't recommend it
We bought a Grand CMAX last year, I found the best price in the country and then just walked into my local Ford dealership, with the add on my ipad,
told them a white lie, that the dealer had one waiting for me and said that I could drive the 600 mile round trip to get the deal but I'd prefer
to stay local, no other discussions, I got about 2 grand off their previous best price (already discounted for employees)
A couple of weeks later we needed to change our other car as I had big engine problems, we wanted a basic Fiesta and they could offer only a token
discount - more to keep me as a future customer
By this time we were quite chatty, he told me that they had literally sold the CMax below cost price, as they have both financial and unit targets to
meet, I'd happen to come in right at the end of the quarter and they needed to sell a couple of units to make their target, doing so would mean
that they'd actually get a few % extra discount on all of the cars that they bought from Ford for the next quarter. The Fiesta however was at
the start of the quarter and they weren't so fussed
So my advice, price match anywhere in the country even across brands
If possible try to find out when their target dates are - hopefully they are behind plan!
Finally, are you doing enough mileage to justify the extra price of the Ecoboost? will you get that money back in fuel savings?
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bowood14
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| posted on 8/12/15 at 07:46 AM |
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Try Carwow.com my friends who work at dealerships are always swearing about the discounts offered!!
[Edited on 8/12/15 by bowood14]
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SJ
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| posted on 8/12/15 at 01:36 PM |
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Just looked at drivethedeal. Do Ford really do a 1.0 ecoboost Mondeo or is it just a crap website?
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MikeR
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| posted on 8/12/15 at 01:45 PM |
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bear in mind VW sales are 20% down - all those car buyers are going somewhere so Ford will be doing good business at the moment.
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beaver34
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| posted on 8/12/15 at 02:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SJ
Just looked at drivethedeal. Do Ford really do a 1.0 ecoboost Mondeo or is it just a crap website?
yes they do, its ok actually 125bhp
not going to set the wold on fire but its the cheapest mondeo they do
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rdodger
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| posted on 8/12/15 at 02:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SJ
Just looked at drivethedeal. Do Ford really do a 1.0 ecoboost Mondeo or is it just a crap website?
Yes they do!
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FASTdan
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| posted on 9/12/15 at 11:22 AM |
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Lots of good info coming out of this, thanks to everyone so far - glad I posted! I had no idea about the sites like carwow and drivethedeal - makes
sense to at least use these as leverage if nothing else!
As mentioned by a couple of people when looking at a 1 year old £16k 1.5 Zetec S (which I was trying to buy for £15k), using the above sites buying
brand new actually isn't coming out a lot more expensive (carwow coming in at around 18k on ford finance). But then of course I start wondering
about leasing. For circa £200 per month (£1100 deposit, so cost over 3 years approx £2700 per year) I can lease the 1.5 Zetec S ecoboost. But actually
not sure if thats particularly cost effective - at £18k if the car devalued by £2700 PA that would put it at only £10k re-sale. Judging by 3 year old
ecoboost estates at the moment it looks to me like a 12k'ish value would be more appropriate.
It is of course all speculation - indeed simply a lesson in loosing money. Partly why I've always bought old cars and run the risk, but as its
supposed to be the family wagon I feel now is the time to get something a bit nicer.
As for mileage and justifying the ecoboost - hadn't really thought about it. I just didn't really want to spend a decent amount of money
and have the old 1600 sigma engine in there. I also figure that the 1600 sigma models will drop in value massively compared to the new tech. I like
the philosophy of the new little turbo engines and I am afraid I cannot get excited about diesels. The 1.0 125bhp seems the sensible choice, but heart
says 1.5 Zetec S - this seems to sit nicely as a compromise between the 1.0 and the ST. I would love an ST, but as I'd barely be driving it it
would be a waste and potential headache (thinking theft). Its a shame they seem to reserve the 180bhp 1.5 EB for the titanium only, judging by how the
150bhp drives I bet that would be a perfect balance of practicality and performance.
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ChrisW
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| posted on 9/12/15 at 11:33 AM |
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Best bit of advice has already been given....
The dealership will get a good kick back on the finance so they will take that into account when selling. By law you have 14 days 'cooling
off' period when you take out a finance package.
So if you are genuinely a 'cash' buyer a way to get a deal is to take the car on finance and negotiate the best price with the dealer
ideally opting for the worst interest rate you can and therefore giving them the biggest kick back. Then, within 14 days, ring the finance company
saying you have changed your mind and want to cancel the agreement by paying in full.
Chris
My gaff my rules
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Toys2
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| posted on 9/12/15 at 05:06 PM |
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The Ford website is showing a deposit allowance of £2075 against a focus zetec if purchased with ford credit
There are terms and conditions of course, when we bought ours we got a similar deal, the cost of credit was about £800, so net of £1200 ish
Check that the model you want is covered by the deal, play around with your deposit amount to give the best deal and lowest cost of credit (there is a
maximum deposit allowed to qualify for this deal)
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