Hellfire
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 posted on 12/6/05 at 11:13 AM |
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Bike Crash
Yesterday (11/6/05) I was witness to quite a bad motorcycle accident whereby this guy on an R1 was blatting up this 40mph road (he was heading towards
me) when this guy in a white van pulled out in front of him to overtake a vehicle in front of him.
The biker hit the rear/offside of the van and tipped him. He and the bike must have done a dozen flips eventually coming to rest some 50 yards down
the road. He was caning it somewhat. As I saw what was happening I clocked the reg. number of the van he hit (he never stopped).
I stopped the car as did 5 other cars. The scene was one of chaos as bike bits were all over the place... a few witnesses were on their mobiles the
first thing he said was "dont call the cops, I have no license". I've never seen people leave an accident scene so quick in all my
life...
I dont know whether it was good or bad - but I thought I'd share it with you all....
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JoelP
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 11:19 AM |
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how bizzare... i take it the rider was ok if he was so keen not to see the law? i doubt he would've got into much trouble regarding the license,
3 points tops. The van driver needs stringing up though...
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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tom_loughlin
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 11:22 AM |
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CHRIST! at times like that its so hard to know what to do. im guessing therir wasnt too badly injured then? the van guy must have noticed as well, its
not as if you cant hear when a tiny pebble flicks up and hits your car - nevermind a bloody motorbike - complete with rider!
the van guy wasnt to know the rider had his license either - its just plain stupid!
nice one for getting the reg plate - but what can be done?
Tom
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zilspeed
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 11:31 AM |
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Grass the van driver up anyway. They were both out of order. The van driver more so.
But - - what if the accident had involved the bike and a pedestrian ?
Would everyone have been so keen to turn the other cheek then ?
They both deserve varying degress of a kicking.
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colibriman
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 11:32 AM |
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Oh dear...
What a situation....
sounds like both of them weren't legal....
I bet if poor bike guy had no licence he had no insurance either though...
I would say give the van's number to the cops just for not stopping...
where's the remains of the bike...gruesome but important to me
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big_wasa
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 12:58 PM |
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Toseres like that put premiums up
I say nothing to him speeding because I would often do a bit more than I should norty I know thats why ive sold it, and are now doing the
locost...BUT if heed got no licence you can be shaw there was no t&T and insurance either.......
Same with the van driver ..Lets be honest he buggered of for a reason
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mookaloid
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 01:02 PM |
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I would have called the cops.
The bike may well have been stolen
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shortie
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 01:04 PM |
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To be honest I would report both the van driver and the biker, as said previously the were both out of order.
The reason they should be reported is assuming the biker is ok he will go and get another bike and then kill a legal driver or worse still a kid, same
with the van driver.
They should both be reported, simple choice for me..
Rich.
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OX
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 01:36 PM |
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i would of cleared off with the rest of them ,,the amount of hassle you would of given your self wouldnt of been worth it,days off work to go to court
and all that.
would of been different if the bike rider had been badly hurt or a pedestrian had been involved.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 02:03 PM |
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As I travel extensively I see many accidents either after they happen or as they are happening. I've become a little passive to them as I would
spend a long long time in court as a witness. I have been witness to a few where the result was quite bad and I did indeed spend some time filing in
witness statements and attending court on one occassion.
Regarding this accident, the biker was ok. The van had very little damage if any - it was strange that everyone cleared off really quickly though.
Judging by the bike - it was not a new one, it looked wrecked to start with and when it was on the floor it looked like the clutch cover had split cos
there was a fair amount of oil on the road. I did stake a good look at the engine though... 
As everyone was ok - I too made a retreat to avoid getting involved.
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JoelP
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 02:19 PM |
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i too would've stuck them all in. If the biker had died later, you risk a possible manslaughter charge through inaction. Plus, had it beem me, i
would've expected no favours from passerbys.
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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chunkielad
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 04:41 PM |
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What happens when they both kill someone innocent next week and drive off? Tell the police and do the leg work. Filling in forms isn't hard and
an hour or so in court will not effect your wages - it's a legal requirement they pay you whilst on court business.
It WILL save someones life. There is no dispute what should be done - if my child dies from the stupidity of one of these people after you did
nothing, I'd kick your ass and you'd feel as guilty as shit!!!
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 05:31 PM |
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Having lost my father in a car crash where the woman that caused the accident didn't stop I know first hand how it feels to lose someone close .
I wouldn't hesitate to shop both of them
and hope they both get what they deserve. If the guy with the bike had no licence he had no insurance had he have hit and killed someone then the
victims family could have ended up with no or very little income as well as losing a loved one! SHOP THEM BOTH
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spunky
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 05:33 PM |
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I echo Chunkies sentiments. It appears both are driving illegally which is irresponsible and irresponsible drivers kill innocent people.
If it was me, I'd get involved.
If someone called 999 then the police automatically attend anyway so he's screwed. Do the right thing and give the van plate to the cops.
MHO
John
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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OX
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 05:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chunkielad
What happens when they both kill someone innocent next week and drive off? Tell the police and do the leg work. Filling in forms isn't hard and
an hour or so in court will not effect your wages - it's a legal requirement they pay you whilst on court business.
It WILL save someones life. There is no dispute what should be done - if my child dies from the stupidity of one of these people after you did
nothing, I'd kick your ass and you'd feel as guilty as shit!!!
if there gonna do it next week then whats a bollocking and a fine gonna do ?absolutly nothing becouse these are the types of people that having
nothing to lose and thats the type of person they are,the motor bike rider has allready said he hasnt got a licence(could of lost it years ago).
its not just the hour in court ,its all the time to and from the court,,the amount of times the case is adjourned,the amount of time in police station
before its even gone to court.
i hope nothing like this happens to your daughter like it did to my step dad,5 years l8r the guys are out of jail and back on the road,step dad still
brain damaged
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JoelP
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 06:00 PM |
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my friend was murdered by some thieves who ran him over on purpose. Only the driver got charged, with causing death by dangerous driving, and i
shudder to think that he is probably free already, only 3 years later.
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 08:51 PM |
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I think that you may be looking at this the wrong way.
The biker was far more likely to be at fault.
If you are on a 40 road, and you are driving accrdingly, you dont expect to see a narrow object like a bike missiling towards you at illegal speeds.
If he had been doing 40, the van driver may have had more time to see him, and the biker would have had more time to stop and avoid him.
I was witness 10 years ago in court to an accident where a woman was permanently disabled cos a jag xjs pulled out to overtake my car and twatted
right into the ford escort she was driving.
I was the only decent witness in the court. Getting the driver convicted and a proper acount of the accident probably allowed her to get some money to
help her situation.
what did it cost me?
a couple of police visits (to me) to ger a statement and half a day in court.
not a lot of time to get justice for an innocent person.
that biker was likely without a licence for good reason. its not for you to decide right or wrong, you should have reported it. I wonder if thats an
offence in itself?
atb
steve
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 12/6/05 at 09:05 PM |
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read this and been a bit reluctant too comment but having read Steve's comments above he's pretty much along my line of thought, or
I'm along his line of thought.
no licence = no insurance too.
I witnessed a HGV run into the back of another on the A14 last year, hard enough too all but turn him over and do enough damage that we had too smash
the windows too get him out (he was OK just doors jammed) the lorry he hit never stopped, i was initially shocked/surprised at this, the driver who
was hit said, "don't be, i have been hit up the arse before and never felt a thing" could a bike hit a van enough too flick him
off without the driver knowing ? If the van did see/feel the impact then he is well in the wrong too BTW, just putting a point of view in the ring.
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